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        06-29-2014, 03:02 PM
      #21
    Green Broke
    DA, I'm in the UK, I was part of the campaign for on the hook not the hoof, so far i've directly saved 5 horses from the meat man, but they were all nice rehabbable horses who went to have useful lives.
    That said I'm not against slaughter provided it is humane, thousands of unwanted horses, broken down horses and nasty horses have need an outlet.
    Having a horse PTS at home and the carcass taken away and rendered costs approx 500, whilst I'm happy to spend that on a faithful friend at the end of thier life, I'm not happy to spend that on a fruitloop who tries to kill everyone who goes near it and has put several people in hospital. Yes I sent that horse to Potters where it probably ended up in a dog food can, but it was a relativly humane end and I got a small amount of money back that I could reinvest is saving other horses, I don't have endless amounts of money#

    I've also worked in an abattoir so have a far better idea of what goes on in a well regulated abattoir than you do and yes I would (and have) send one for slaughter because a well run abbatoir is humane.

    The lesser of 2 evils may still be evil in your book but I know personaly i'd far rather take the lesser of those 2 evils and have the slightly less than perfect deaths of horses on my concious than the torturous end that horses suffer because you couldnt accept that "lesser" evil and because you wouldnt work on making that lesser evil even less!
    People like you are incredibly hypocritical and it disgusts me!

    Yes I hold you directly responsible for the torture of horses in mexico! Had you not campaigned to end slaughter within the US then thousands of horses would not have had to suffer anywhere near as much both in transport and in dieing.

    Reality is that if you ban something anywhere then it will just move somewhere you can't control and then you lose all chance of a humane end.
         
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        06-29-2014, 03:29 PM
      #22
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by faye    
    DA, I'm in the UK, I was part of the campaign for on the hook not the hoof, so far i've directly saved 5 horses from the meat man, but they were all nice rehabbable horses who went to have useful lives.
    That said I'm not against slaughter provided it is humane, thousands of unwanted horses, broken down horses and nasty horses have need an outlet.
    Having a horse PTS at home and the carcass taken away and rendered costs approx 500, whilst I'm happy to spend that on a faithful friend at the end of thier life, I'm not happy to spend that on a fruitloop who tries to kill everyone who goes near it and has put several people in hospital. Yes I sent that horse to Potters where it probably ended up in a dog food can, but it was a relativly humane end and I got a small amount of money back that I could reinvest is saving other horses, I don't have endless amounts of money#

    I've also worked in an abattoir so have a far better idea of what goes on in a well regulated abattoir than you do and yes I would (and have) send one for slaughter because a well run abbatoir is humane.

    The lesser of 2 evils may still be evil in your book but I know personaly i'd far rather take the lesser of those 2 evils and have the slightly less than perfect deaths of horses on my concious than the torturous end that horses suffer because you couldnt accept that "lesser" evil and because you wouldnt work on making that lesser evil even less!
    People like you are incredibly hypocritical and it disgusts me!

    Yes I hold you directly responsible for the torture of horses in mexico! Had you not campaigned to end slaughter within the US then thousands of horses would not have had to suffer anywhere near as much both in transport and in dieing.

    Reality is that if you ban something anywhere then it will just move somewhere you can't control and then you lose all chance of a humane end.

    Amazing. You really are making a LOT of assumptions based on absolutely nothing but your own stigma against my stance.

    Do you know how many slaughterhouses I've been to? Do you know anything I've done? Can you tell me how many horses I've helped? Can you list ANY FACTS supporting your accusations?

    Nope. You haven't a clue. You're too busy on your high horse turning your nose down at people. You have absolutely ZERO knowledge of anything about me outside of the fact that I'm against slaughter and why. You have NO, absolutely ZERO idea of what steps I've taken to support my stance. You are just assuming things, and you really, really shouldn't.

    Telling me I'm a hypocrite because you assume I'm not backing up my stance and based on zero evidence is a little nuts.

    Please let me know when and where I campaigned against slaughter. You make the accusation - you need to back it up. So...back it up. Show me the things that you think I did. I bet you will have a hard time doing it because only you believe the things that are in your own imagination.

    Holding me personally responsible for horses slaughtered in Mexico is bizarre to say the least. I didn't buy them and truck them over the border. I didn't pay to do that. I had actually zero involvement in it. If anything, why don't you just purchase the slaughterhouses in Mexico and run them right? Can I hold you responsible for not doing whatever is necessary to do that?

    Can you really look at slaughterhouses in the US and call them humane? I assure you, they're not. As to whether or not that's better than starving in a field, I don't know. That would be an amazingly tough call. Obviously I don't want a horse starving in a field in a slow torture, but I don't want them tortured to death in a slaughterhouse either. I look at both options and I don't see a winning one there.

    I feel bad for you that you're accepting of slaughterhouses regardless of their conditions. Do you hate all animals, or just horses? Because as I've stated time and time again, UNLESS slaughterhouses are HUMANE (not "kinda humane" or "mostly humane"), and PROTECT stolen horses from being murdered and PROTECT people/animals from ingesting horse meat tainted with drugs, then I am against them. I flat out can't grasp why you think those notions are bad.
         
        06-29-2014, 04:52 PM
      #23
    Green Broke
    DA did you not see the part where I said I have WORKED in Abattoirs! I know exactly what goes on inside a well run one and it IS humane.

    TBH I love all animals including horses, it is you who comes accross as the one who hates horses, you have a very blinkered "not in my backyard" view of the world and seemingly would rather horses suffered extreme torture in mexico and on the journey to mexico, rather than a small journey to a local abattoir within the US where things may not be brilliant (in my experiance of UK abattoirs there is no suffering so it is perfectly possible to impelment controls to ensure it is humane) but they are a thousand times better than the mexican abattoirs.

    Open your eyes hunny to the realities of the world!! Anti slaughter people have made it WORSE for horses not better!
         
        06-29-2014, 05:04 PM
      #24
    Yearling
    I am anti over breeding, anti losing interest in your horse and dumping it, anti abuse, anti starvation of animals(and people) and anti shipping in over crowded trailers, sitting in the sun without food and water while waiting to be horrendously treated and finally killed. I am not anti slaughter. The article makes a good point. If you are fighting for anti slaughter I hope you are also supporting the living horse in some way and fighting for that. Helping to feed them, clean up after them and vet them.

    This is why every time someone starts a post wanting to breed their poorly put together or unhealthy mare, just so they can "raise a baby" I cringe. As long as millions of them are being killed, maybe snatching one of those out of the kill pen would do? Just a thought.
         
        06-30-2014, 02:07 PM
      #25
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by faye    
    DA, I'm in the UK, I was part of the campaign for on the hook not the hoof, so far i've directly saved 5 horses from the meat man, but they were all nice rehabbable horses who went to have useful lives.
    That said I'm not against slaughter provided it is humane, thousands of unwanted horses, broken down horses and nasty horses have need an outlet.
    Having a horse PTS at home and the carcass taken away and rendered costs approx 500, whilst I'm happy to spend that on a faithful friend at the end of thier life, I'm not happy to spend that on a fruitloop who tries to kill everyone who goes near it and has put several people in hospital. Yes I sent that horse to Potters where it probably ended up in a dog food can, but it was a relativly humane end and I got a small amount of money back that I could reinvest is saving other horses, I don't have endless amounts of money#

    I've also worked in an abattoir so have a far better idea of what goes on in a well regulated abattoir than you do and yes I would (and have) send one for slaughter because a well run abbatoir is humane.

    The lesser of 2 evils may still be evil in your book but I know personaly i'd far rather take the lesser of those 2 evils and have the slightly less than perfect deaths of horses on my concious than the torturous end that horses suffer because you couldnt accept that "lesser" evil and because you wouldnt work on making that lesser evil even less!
    People like you are incredibly hypocritical and it disgusts me!

    Yes I hold you directly responsible for the torture of horses in mexico! Had you not campaigned to end slaughter within the US then thousands of horses would not have had to suffer anywhere near as much both in transport and in dieing.

    Reality is that if you ban something anywhere then it will just move somewhere you can't control and then you lose all chance of a humane end.
    The persons held directly responsible are those sending the horses off. Why not have those people take a tour? Why keep blaming those who take care of their own horses, in life & death?
    I recently had my horse PTS, at home. It was quick, painless & calm. Yes, I paid a vet for the act, a necropsy & for burial at home. I'm certainly not made of money & will do without other things for a while. That was my choice. I don't expect any help from anyone so don't expect me to feel guilty or take blame for not helping someone else's horse "not have to suffer near as much."
    I don't think even the rankest cur should have to suffer at all~anywhere.

    ETA: If my understanding is correct the method in the UK is vastly different from the production lines used on this side of the ocean.
         
        06-30-2014, 02:52 PM
      #26
    Weanling
    I've wondered about that. Exactly how is horse slaughter done in the UK?
         
        06-30-2014, 03:10 PM
      #27
    Foal
    [QUOTE=DancingArabian;5698754]Except I believe that ALL slaughterhouses = torture. One being in the US doesn't automatically make it better. The lesser of two evils is still evil.


    Just out of curiosity, are you vegetarian/vegan?

    I think the point is that if it is in our backyard, we will have more control. One in the Us is not automatically better, but we have more control over it than one in Mexico. The fact is that slaughter will always happen. The question then is if you want to have any control over the conditions.

    Look at how pigs used to be treated (farrowing cages) US could have outlawed pig slaughter, but chose instead to better the conditions.
         
        06-30-2014, 04:58 PM
      #28
    Green Broke
    As Inga said, this wouldn't be an issue if people were more responsible with what they choose to breed ):

    It's unfortunate, but I'm pro-slaughter because it seems to be the only way to deal with an over abundance of unwanted horses. Otherwise, what kind of life would they lead?
    I do think the system needs reform, absolutely.
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        06-30-2014, 06:53 PM
      #29
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Zexious    
    As Inga said, this wouldn't be an issue if people were more responsible with what they choose to breed ):

    It's unfortunate, but I'm pro-slaughter because it seems to be the only way to deal with an over abundance of unwanted horses. Otherwise, what kind of life would they lead?
    I do think the system needs reform, absolutely.
    Something needs reforming, that's for sure.
         
        07-01-2014, 09:09 PM
      #30
    Showing
    It's not all about irresponsible breeding. Many horses are kept in stables within municipal boundaries with stringent laws against burying livestock. These horses have served their owners well and in return have received excellent care but as the end approaches, slaughter is often the only viable alternative.
         

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