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    11-16-2008, 12:47 AM
  #21
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by DarkChylde    
My point is they suddn't have been bred to begin with, if a horse has a baby it is because a human let it happen, they don't run wild like cats and dogs do. Also, IF people would stop overbreeding them then they wuddn't need to be slaughtered. And IF horses didn't bring the big money, their wuddn't be the lure for the heartless greedy types that don't care about horses.

Backyard breeders are part of the problem, but these huge racehorse and quarterhorse ranches that churn out hundreds of horses are the biggest problem, the Jockey Club alone predicted some 20,000 to 30,000 foals this year, how many of THEM are going to end up in a rescue or bound for slaughter? How many won't make the grade? Breeders don't care, they get PAID by the slaughterhouses TO overbreed. I work in rescue, and at least half the horses that come in are OTTBs, or Off the Track ThoroBreds.

And the bill WON"T make slaughtering your horse illegal, it just won't allow the heartless humans to make money off selling the meat.

You're right. Stop the over breeding. It's ridiculous. Educate people to more responsible. Go rescue horses. But regulate slaughtering so it's more humane, don't ban it completely.

And yes, horses do run untouched like feral dogs/cats. There are a sad number of idiots who have a herd of horses for no reason and don't touch them. An untouched 3 year old to me is the same thing as a feral stray. The difference is that it takes a highly trained person (and a heck of a lot of time, energy, and money) to make them somewhat suitable for the average horse owner. And all those hundreds of thousands of unwanted dogs/cats that get euthanized each year? Slaughter was the horse's population control. It is very expensive to euthanize a horse and deal with the carcass. So what do you do with all of those unwanted horses? I would like to know what people's answer to that is... I have yet to hear a good practical doable option.
And some (often lots) of breedings happened because someone did nothing about a situation. You wouldn't believe how many times I've heard "I stuck her out with a stud because I didn't know she was old enough to breed" or "my stallion got out of his pasture and I found him with a herd of mares". To me that's just as bad, if not worse, as overbreeding.
     
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    11-16-2008, 07:50 PM
  #22
Foal
What horse breeders and where are being paid to overbreed by slaughterhouses? It cost $200. To register a Thoroughbred foal not counting stud fees which are usually at least $500. And go up to $300,000. If people are breeding horses for slaughter they are breeding unregistered horses. The largest numbers of any breed being born each year are Quarter Horses and there are more APHA horses being bred too. The AQHA and APHA are pro slaughter. Thoroughbred breeders are breeding less horses and the Jockey Club is against slaughter. More and more racetracks are announcing "zero tolerance for slaughter". Any owner or trainer who sells a horse to slaughter or takes them to an auction where horses are sold to slaughter will be banned from the racetrack and not be allowed to race their horses there. They are allowed to donate them to horse rescues. The No. 1 breed going to slaughter according to the government was Quarter Horses. Try checking on how many Quarter Horses,APHA horses,etc are being bred each year. There are racing Quarter Horses,Arabians,Standardbreds and I think in some places Appaloosa's also.
     
    11-16-2008, 08:37 PM
  #23
Foal
That video is hard to watch but is so true on what really happens out there.
     
    11-16-2008, 08:54 PM
  #24
Foal
Slaughter is not population control. Sterilization and keeping animals apart is population control just like with any other domesticated animal. Dogs and cats get spayed and neutered and horses get spayed and gelded. There will hopefully be a good home waiting for every baby someday whether they are large or small human or non human. A bullet is not expensive and is humane. In most places where horses are allowed the body can be buried on the property. There are tractor attachments that could make the job fairly easy or a backhoe could dig the hole. Both are usually available in areas where horses are allowed. If a bullet is used the body could be fed to other animals. The body could be taken to the landfill which is where all the animals euthanized at the pound go. In some areas a zoo might even pay for the body. Animal control will usually take any animal in need and usually the SPCA also and there are horse rescues. If dogs or cats were killed the way horses were in this country and are being killed in other places they would likely be arrested for cruelty. I do not believe that a horse is less deserving of a humane end than any other pet.A horse works for people and does what they want and for them to end up dying a horrible death at the hands of strangers is wrong. Even wild untamed horses deserve better. Horse theft was fueled by horse slaughter and many horses were either stolen outright or stolen by lying and claiming a good home would be given to the horse. www.netposse.com was set up to help people locate stolen horses.
     
    11-17-2008, 07:58 PM
  #25
Weanling
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Originally Posted by upnover    
You're right. Stop the over breeding. It's ridiculous. Educate people to more responsible. Go rescue horses. But regulate slaughtering so it's more humane, don't ban it completely.

And yes, horses do run untouched like feral dogs/cats. There are a sad number of idiots who have a herd of horses for no reason and don't touch them. An untouched 3 year old to me is the same thing as a feral stray. The difference is that it takes a highly trained person (and a heck of a lot of time, energy, and money) to make them somewhat suitable for the average horse owner. And all those hundreds of thousands of unwanted dogs/cats that get euthanized each year? Slaughter was the horse's population control. It is very expensive to euthanize a horse and deal with the carcass. So what do you do with all of those unwanted horses? I would like to know what people's answer to that is... I have yet to hear a good practical doable option.
And some (often lots) of breedings happened because someone did nothing about a situation. You wouldn't believe how many times I've heard "I stuck her out with a stud because I didn't know she was old enough to breed" or "my stallion got out of his pasture and I found him with a herd of mares". To me that's just as bad, if not worse, as overbreeding.
I say that we as a horse community need to stop taking the easy way out and get together and find solutions, rather than all the bickering and fighting. We need to appeal to the registration community (who make large sums off of over breeding, what do they care,they get money for every registered horses and transfer fees for very tranfer, they NEED too many horses, more horses, more money.) Also, the penalities should be made much stiffer for animal neglect, in my own area the humane society went to great lengths to get video of a puppy mill, and the people got a small fine and are still in business. THIS needs to change. THEN, I think ALL reigstries should be like the Fresians, they should be approved by VERY critical standards, and reasonable limits on breeding should be introduced, and an animal pass rigirous standards to be allowed registry. (Now, this does not mean I support the NAIS movement, let me clarify THAT.) Also, I think that the assembliy line slaughter we have now can never be 'made' humane, it was created for cattle and done by those with no concern whatsoever for the animals they lived by. Also, the great need for horse meat for human consumption that brings the big money for horse meat will end when legislation is approved and the border problem can be addressed (as the bill is an agricultural budget bill the border problem can't be addressed (supposedly, tho they log roll in what they want if it's pork)) and America isn't producing the horses for all those countires to enjoy thier FlickaBurgers. THEN I think we SHOULD create a humane, quick death, where the stoppage of the heart is certifired before skinning, and the meat used to feed the hundreds of thousands of cats and dogs in this country,(or IF we use the meat for human consumption it be to feed the starving millions in Darfur and all the other places of the world not germaine to the conversation but another truly nobel and good use of the meat from our PETS) open up lots of jobs for eople to compete with China and CHina doesnt hafta poison any more of our beloved pets and big cooperations like Alpo and Purina can have a little competition, which would create SOME market for horse meat (altho NOT for human consumption) and still be able to process the PETS we all have when they reach the end of their life spans, or become to injured or sick to have any quality of life anymore. I also think we as a community should band together and fundraise (if Obama can do it we should be able to ) and buy up some land out west and create a reserve that will be monitored and managed (but NOT by the govt, grumle grumble) to deal with the overpopulation problem now. Also, if we would stop worrying so much about tryin to impress somebody and resist the urge to join the throngs of breed snobs, and rescue the next horse we want, that would also make a differnce. The horse 'industry' is most definitely NOT looking out for the future of horses themselves, but I am.
     
    11-17-2008, 08:07 PM
  #26
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Kincsem    
What horse breeders and where are being paid to overbreed by slaughterhouses? It cost $200. To register a Thoroughbred foal not counting stud fees which are usually at least $500. And go up to $300,000. If people are breeding horses for slaughter they are breeding unregistered horses. The largest numbers of any breed being born each year are Quarter Horses and there are more APHA horses being bred too. The AQHA and APHA are pro slaughter. Thoroughbred breeders are breeding less horses and the Jockey Club is against slaughter. More and more racetracks are announcing "zero tolerance for slaughter". Any owner or trainer who sells a horse to slaughter or takes them to an auction where horses are sold to slaughter will be banned from the racetrack and not be allowed to race their horses there. They are allowed to donate them to horse rescues. The No. 1 breed going to slaughter according to the government was Quarter Horses. Try checking on how many Quarter Horses,APHA horses,etc are being bred each year. There are racing Quarter Horses,Arabians,Standardbreds and I think in some places Appaloosa's also.
The breeders don't register the culls, they do 'create' them, however and ship them off with the meat men when they don't make the grade, know a girl that works on a HUGE quarterhorse ranch that can verify that one. And like I said, working in rescue I know of over half the horses I have worked with are OTTBs, and I can get stats from other rescues if need be. If people cuddn't get big bucks for fat, healty young horses (the 80%-90% of horses that are ACTUALLY slaughtered) from the meat men, then there would not be the demand, and breeding horses for food would stop, along with one of the main reasons for overbreeding.

But I will definitely admit to being VERY pleased when Iheard about the 'zero-tolerance for slaughter' thing on some of the racetracks, if it catches on it will help greatly. But ALL overbreeding needs addressing, I didn't mean to pick on the registrered ones only. Some registries ARE stepping up to the bat, tho it was only making the public aware of the problem made anyone hafta to deal with it.
     
    11-17-2008, 10:45 PM
  #27
Foal
Go slaughter. For it all the way. :)
     
    11-18-2008, 12:54 AM
  #28
Weanling
Perhaps if your horse was next for the chop, you might feel a little different. Even if I supported slaughter, it would be different to know any of my horses would have it done to them.
     
    11-18-2008, 06:05 PM
  #29
Foal
My horse isn't going anywhere, and if he were, I check out my buyers. I'd sell him to someone that's obviously going to use him, not send him to slaughter.
     
    11-19-2008, 09:18 AM
  #30
Weanling
There is one thing you mite not have thought of.

The entire reason I got involved in tryin to outlaw slaughter. I had a good friend who woke up one morning and found her fences cut. And Popcorn, the huge, gentle giant that belonged to a then-12-yr-old girl went for slaughter, they later found out. He had a freeze-brand, btw. What happened in those horrible videos, can you imagine being 12 and having your horse stolen and find out that THAT was your horse's fate? And as long as a horse thief can make a fast $300 (and they give that for a fat, healthy horse NOW I know, because I know some meat men) then it makes horsestealing profitible. Now, if slaughter wasn't a problem that it is, then there would not be as much incentive to steal horses, altho I am sure SOME would go on, it is slaughter that makes it profitiable. Selling the stolen horse for meat it is another facet of slaughter rarely considered. I worry about my horses meeting that fate, we aren't always in control of everything. My friend found this out the hard way, and the heart of a little girl was forever broken, a personal side to the slaughter issue.
     

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