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post #11 of 35 Old 02-24-2009, 08:28 PM
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i have to use a crop on my horse i i do not find it abuse. because i have to hit him with it to get him to jog and behave.but he is a baby so he does not know how to listen whell yet.
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post #12 of 35 Old 04-17-2009, 07:11 PM
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I would say a good whack when they do something really naughty is discipline. Along with using spurs, crops, and whips properly. Beating a horse is abuse. As in hitting them over and over, or hard enough to leave a mark and/or draw blood. Just look at Cleve Wells. Ripping a horse's sides up with your spurs is definitely abuse.
I think anyone charged with horse abuse should get their horses taken away for good and be locked up for a good long time. *cough*CleveWells*cough*

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post #13 of 35 Old 04-18-2009, 02:48 AM
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I think this could be a very touchy subject. Younger kids or not very experienced kids are less likely to understand disciplining a horse. My Standardbred Gelding is (obviously) a lot bigger than me, and he sometimes tries to show me he's the boss (haha). He will nip on occasions (if in a bad mood), he will shove me when walking (leading), and he will even kick out sometimes when I do up his rug. All because his last owner let him, and cuddled him after doing so. I will smack my horse of the bottom if he tries to kick, and I will tap his nose lightly if he tries to bite. Far from abuse.
If I were to abuse him, I'd stop feeding him, or beat him viciously without reason!

I don't think some people understand how dangerous horses can be when not diciplined.
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post #14 of 35 Old 04-18-2009, 11:49 PM
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O I'm touching this one with a ten foot pole. :-O
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post #15 of 35 Old 05-07-2009, 01:43 PM
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depends how you hit the horse. i think that wearing spurs and using a whip when you need to is fine but ive seen over use of the whip and horse being injured by people being careless with spurs

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post #16 of 35 Old 05-07-2009, 01:54 PM
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There is not line between training/correcting and abuse. Pulling back on the reins to make you horse stand is making a correction, using draw reins without your regular reins causing your horse to bleed on the sides of its mouth is abuse. Giving your horse a little smack on the neck for biting at you is training, taking a whip to your horse because he bit you is abuse. There is a time and place for correcting your horse and there is ALWAYS a humane way of correcting and training your horse!

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post #17 of 35 Old 07-08-2009, 07:24 AM
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Jerk on the reins?? I totally hate it when I see people jerking on the reins. I can almost feel the pain in the horses mouth when that bit comes down hard on the bars of its mouth. Why would anyone do that??? If I 'm trying to make a restless horse stand still I just juggle the reins a little, say stand, and repeat the command no matter how long it takes and the horse will eventually stand still. NO JERKING!!!
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Ps... well said Siestasgirl16
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post #19 of 35 Old 07-09-2009, 12:07 AM
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I never "hit" my horse with the whip unless he has done something extremly naughty and that he hasn't yet. If I ever need to punish Chinga while riding he gets spun in a circle.

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post #20 of 35 Old 07-09-2009, 12:18 AM
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Personally, I hate whips/crops But when I took lessons I was forced to carry one, eventually I learned three things:
1, A horse that has been disiplined with a whip will change his behavior according to weather or not a rider carries a whip and he will often react at just seeing it move.
2, A whip serves as an extention of the arm, but it has amplified force.
3, the whip should be implemented as a very last resort after all other methods have failed (leg, voice, seat)

I don't carry a crop on my horse, if he is being very stubborn I simply reach back with my fingers spread and gently tap the sensitive spot just behind the saddle. As I do this I squeeze as hard as I can with my legs. It works every time.

As for horses who play with the bit and jerk while standing still, I find that most often the horse is simply asking for a looser rein so he can stretch his neak a little and not have to deal with pressure from the bit. If I loosen the rein and the horse starts to wander or some such thing, I'll retake contact, enough that the horse can feel it but not so much that I'm tugging on his mouth.
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