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It disgusts me!

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#1 ·
People can't accept the fact that horse slaughter is banned here in the US!They have to figure out a way to be able to sell horse meat somehow.So how do they do it?They kill other peoples family horses :-x It seriously hurts me and my hearts go out to the people that have lost their horses because selfish greedy people wanted money.
 
#50 ·
No, you're done talking to me because you have no relevant arguement. Kindly describe exactly where I was so "mean" to you. You've been rude to everyone who's opinion differs from yours.

Quick and painless? How so? Did they have guns back then? No, they had knives. So they cut their throats. Exactly the same method of treatment you're so against now.
 
#51 ·
no, I honestly don't want to debate with someone that talks the way you are talking to me.I'm not being 'rude' to anyone so just leave my topic now please.
 
#54 ·
Am I the only one utterly confused here? Please explain exactly how I'm "talking to you". With truth? Or are you only angry because everytime you try to be rude to someone else and shoot down their opinions, they have a well planned and well versed arguement?

My advice would be to not start debate threads until you can back up your opinion soundly. This isn't your topic, it's a public forum. You cannot expect to make topics and have everyone agree with you, it's not the way it works. I am not trying to be rude or mean to you, I am attempting to have a debate which is what you wanted. Or does that change when you don't get your way?

Nobody here is telling you you can't feel the way you feel. Good on you for feeling that way, that's definately your perogative. But that doesn't mean you can lash out at other people and treat them like dirt for having a different opinion and expect them not to react.
 
#52 ·
I will agree that the beating and tortured needs to end not really nice for any animal that can feel pain. But what about buffalo kills where they would run them off cliffs do you think they would all die right away. What about when we were hunting with clubs and spears. Those two methods probably weren't to painless. But now we should definitely be able to do it quick and painless without a doubt.
 
#53 ·
ok, but the methods today are way worse than those.I read a book that I got from the library called slaughterhouse and OMG! that book is enough to turn a meat lover vegetarian.
 
#63 ·
very much so.That is why I think the purpose of them existing is pointless.What goes on in these slaughterhouses even with cows and chickens needs to stop.
 
#65 ·
So...I'm confused. At one point you said that you wanted to have a debate and then not even a page over you said that you made this thread for people who agree with you. Did you intend to debate a subject with people who are for the same thing you are or what? Because I don't see how that would be productive at all....not that this thread is really going anywhere anyway.
Also, you are saying that people are condeming your point of view when, at thesame time, you basically slap down anyone's ideas or thoughts that are for slaughter.

And now my thoughts on the real thread: I don't believe that any of us would like to find our beloved horses mutilated in the pasture. And aren't these the times when you wish that we still held capital punishment near and dear to our hearts? Of course it's sickening, and I'd like to see them really pay for what they did, but this is from an outside view. What we should do is think about it from another angle. What if these men had families to feed? What if they had a reletive in the hospital and had no other job that could pay for it? We all like to point fingers at the bad guys, but sometimes things aren't exactly as they seem. Am I saying that what they did would be alright in any of those situations? No. Am I saying that they aren't just sick, money driven people? No, but we don't know why they did it for sure. What if you weren't a horsey person and for what ever reason you get force into a situation that requires despirate measures? What sort of illegal things would you do to survive or keep your family fed? Because, remember, to non horsey people, we seem crazy for loving these animals so much. What's one or two horses to these people? ....wow that got really long really quick... eh, to sum it up, They shouldn't have done what they did, but we also don't have all of the information nescessary to start casting all that many stones......
 
#66 ·
I make this for people that agree with me.Not for people to try to convince me that it is right.
Lol! You should put a disclaimer in the OP - "Only people who agree with me and make me feel good about my opinion allowed. Any disagreeing or debating posts, no matter how tactful, will be met with fingers in my ears and loud reciting of LA-LA-LA-LA-LA"

I will probably get the same treatment because i'm in the 'slaughter is a necessary evil' camp.

*Just a note - No book, video or story would stop me eating meat. I like it, it is healthy, and it is a staple in my diet.*

Yep, I hate that ANY livestock is mistreated during the slaughter process. I do think that slaughter for ALL livestock should be humane, and regulated.
 
#67 ·
just don't acknowledge them alli, people like this are at a point where their opinions won't generally be changed. the best thing we can do is to put information out there so that we can direct interested parties to it, and go about life as best as we can. and it's true that for a topic like this a disclaimer would probably be a good idea, though I'm certainly not saying so in as rude a manner as the above poster.

the last thing on earth I will understand is how anyone can justify killing any innocent thing, but we have to face the fact that most people are raised to see it as totally normal and necessary and think that people who disagree are crazy or misinformed in some way. oftentimes publicly arguing with them only makes us the targets of people who want to make us out to be crazed fanatics or something, and when we allow people to see us that way they're far less likely to listen to what we have to say.


and need I remind everyone: when you allow your arguments to become personal attacks, you're only shaming yourself and your beliefs.
 
#70 ·
exactly why I wish they would just stop posting in this topic.Now it's probably going to be closed because they have to get there point across.
 
#68 ·
Good gravy. Did the asylum bus crash around here and nobody informed me? Or are we just having a regular "pot calling the kettle black" week?

rockyxpony - EVERYONE is entitled to an opinion. And quite frankly, the only attacking I see occurring, and the source of the generated rudeness is coming from the people on YOUR side of the fence. You just managed to single handedly in your post tell us we're bonkers for thinking they way we do. And yet, in my post, I told alli09 that it was good for her to have an opinion.

I am not trying to change anyone's opinion, the point I'm trying to make is that don't make up lame reasons with holes in them to support your opinion. If you don't like slaughter, fine, but don't lash out at those who have a differing opinion, and don't attempt to debate if the best you can do is "because I said so, THAT'S WHY!" That doesn't make it true.

Nobody called you or anybody else "crazy". I am MORE then willing to listen to what someone has to say, but I am a realist and a debater by nature. If you want to present an arguement, I'm going to debate that arguement. Debates VERY rarely result in either opinion being swayed, it is merely an exchange of facts that is SUPPOSED to leave both parties feeling like maybe they learned something.

I'll never understand why people get so angry during a debate and feel it neccesary to hurl insults. It's like they're personally being attacked and become so narrow minded they just shut themselves down to outside views. I am not trying to change anyone's view, I am merely attempting to explain MY side of the view. It's not my fault if people just become angry when I do so. Don't make assumptions that everyone that disagrees with you is trying to "change" you.
 
#87 ·
Good gravy. Did the asylum bus crash around here and nobody informed me? Or are we just having a regular "pot calling the kettle black" week?

rockyxpony - EVERYONE is entitled to an opinion. And quite frankly, the only attacking I see occurring, and the source of the generated rudeness is coming from the people on YOUR side of the fence. You just managed to single handedly in your post tell us we're bonkers for thinking they way we do. And yet, in my post, I told alli09 that it was good for her to have an opinion.

I am not trying to change anyone's opinion, the point I'm trying to make is that don't make up lame reasons with holes in them to support your opinion. If you don't like slaughter, fine, but don't lash out at those who have a differing opinion, and don't attempt to debate if the best you can do is "because I said so, THAT'S WHY!" That doesn't make it true.

Nobody called you or anybody else "crazy". I am MORE then willing to listen to what someone has to say, but I am a realist and a debater by nature. If you want to present an arguement, I'm going to debate that arguement. Debates VERY rarely result in either opinion being swayed, it is merely an exchange of facts that is SUPPOSED to leave both parties feeling like maybe they learned something.

I'll never understand why people get so angry during a debate and feel it neccesary to hurl insults. It's like they're personally being attacked and become so narrow minded they just shut themselves down to outside views. I am not trying to change anyone's view, I am merely attempting to explain MY side of the view. It's not my fault if people just become angry when I do so. Don't make assumptions that everyone that disagrees with you is trying to "change" you.
easy, tiger!
most of my post I was talking to alli ONLY, and I specifically stated that. all I said that may have been directed towards you is that it makes people disrespect your opinions when you lose yourself and start to make personal attacks, which I'm fairly sure I recall seeing..
I have insulted absolutely no one in my posts. calm down. xD maybe you should take the time to read what I say before freaking out on me.
 
#69 ·
you just basically call us crazy and we're being rude?come on now.I'm not reading all of that stuff because there is no point.I don't want my topic to close so can you please just not post anymore.

and to wild spot, that book isn't just about how the animals get treated.It is about what you're really eating.You actually think meat is healthy when it is the leading cause of heart disease? When you eat a burger you are taking in more protein than you are suppose to and that isn't good for you.If you read that book you will understand where I'm coming from.
 
#74 ·
because if it is illegal to sell horse meat and if, like I said, horses are going to become overpopulated and there is going to be more neglect then people should just keep them open to take care of the excess horses, but no, they have to make profit on it or it isn't going to happen.
 
#75 ·
Horses already are overpopulated.
If slaughter plants would open, there would be a supply for the demand of horse meat that would also take care of the unwanted horses. I'm all for the re-opening of slaughter houses. There would be profit, yes. The reason they closed wasn't because there wasn't a demand (profit) for horses. So there would be profit, a solution for the over-abundance of the horses, and food.
 
#76 ·
Who would work in a slaughter house for free when they could have any other job and get paid? Business's HAVE to make a profit to stay open. There are huge running costs involved in a slaughter house - Machinery, facilities, staff training, meat storage, so on and so forth. They CAN'T run without money, it's as simple as that.

and to wild spot, that book isn't just about how the animals get treated.It is about what you're really eating.You actually think meat is healthy when it is the leading cause of heart disease? When you eat a burger you are taking in more protein than you are suppose to and that isn't good for you.If you read that book you will understand where I'm coming from.
When you show me studies, statistics, etc. then I may beleive that meat is the leading cause of heart diesease instead of genetics, unhealthy lifestyles and eating the WRONG kinds of fat. Just so you know, I don't eat takeaway processed meat. I eat the freshest meat I can buy, or a home-slaughtered cow when we can get it from my dad's boss.
 
#77 ·
Who would work in a slaughter house for free when they could have any other job and get paid? Business's HAVE to make a profit to stay open. There are huge running costs involved in a slaughter house - Machinery, facilities, staff training, meat storage, so on and so forth. They CAN'T run without money, it's as simple as that.



When you show me studies, statistics, etc. then I may beleive that meat is the leading cause of heart diesease instead of genetics, unhealthy lifestyles and eating the WRONG kinds of fat. Just so you know, I don't eat takeaway processed meat. I eat the freshest meat I can buy, or a home-slaughtered cow when we can get it from my dad's boss.
ever heard of high cholesterol? How do you think people get it? No matter how fresh your meat is, it is still going to have saturated fat.

Heart Disease - Causes of Heart Disease

here's a great video that every meat eater/dairy consumer should watch and if you still eat meat or consume dairy after you watch this then you don't care about your health(just got to youtube to watch the rest):



and after this please stay on topic from now on.
 
#80 ·
es talking about unhealthy diets thought where there are fried grease loaded foods for every meal. Im pretty sure not everyone has

B&E for every breakfast
Cheeseburgers for every lunch
Fried foods for ever supper
Ice cream for every desert.

Believe it or not some people do eat vegetables,fruits,nuts,fibre and other foods with benefits
 
#82 ·
I did but he doesn't mention healthy lifestyles he just assumed we all eat crap for every meal which isn't the case. And as long as you do exercise daily and have everything in moderation it does work out better. Also the person he took blood from admitted to having a greasy food before he had his blood taken which would have skewed his blood fat content because it didnt have time to get removed out of his system. Most meals are usually three to four hours apart for when I eat so I'm not really worried also I do try to exercise daily. I'm not perfect but I do try. Yes dairy products have fat but they also have benefits such as calcium among others. He only talked about negative side effects.
 
#83 ·
I guess what I'm getting at is if you want to be even healthier there is a way to do it.I don't want to get this closed so I'm going to stop talking all that now.
 
#84 ·
ever heard of high cholesterol? How do you think people get it? No matter how fresh your meat is, it is still going to have saturated fat.

here's a great video that every meat eater/dairy consumer should watch and if you still eat meat or consume dairy after you watch this then you don't care about your health(just got to youtube to watch the rest):
Lol! Why do you think vegans have to eat a poopload of supplements and STILL generally have lower bone density, among other diet caused problems and deficiencies?

My dad has genetic heart problems; He has watched his diet ever since he was a child, and he still had to go to hospital to have a stint put in an artery that was 90% blocked.

I know TONS of people who eat meat and dairy and have perfectly healthy cholesterol levels.

I eat meat and dairy every day and have perfectly healthy cholesterol.

How many top athletes are vegans? I would be interested to find out.

Mostly people get high cholesterol levels by eating an unhealthy, unbalanced diet, and not adequatly excercising. If going vegan was a 'cure' for high cholesterol, why don't doctors recommend it?

I can't watch youtube video's on this computer, but:

I did but he doesn't mention healthy lifestyles he just assumed we all eat crap for every meal which isn't the case. And as long as you do exercise daily and have everything in moderation it does work out better. Also the person he took blood from admitted to having a greasy food before he had his blood taken which would have skewed his blood fat content because it didnt have time to get removed out of his system.
To me it sounds like the video is a skewed, one-sided piece of anti-meat/dairy propaganda. For it to be considered a reliable source, it would need to take samples from NUMEROUS people - Those who have healthy diets, those who don't, those who eat meat and dairy, those who don't, those who excercise regularly, those who don't. Does it do this?
 
#91 ·
have not read the whole thread so I might be totally OT by this point...

there is a person about 2 miles down the highway from me that keeps his horses in deplorable conditions. They are ribby, and gangly looking and it's obvious he treats them with no respect. Last week, I finally found out why: He breeds them to eat. NOT KIDDING. He waits until the horses are 3 and then eats them. He keeps a select stallion and some broodmares. Now, I don't know if he sells them to anyone else. Believe me, this has been reported numerous times. What do they do about it? NOTHING.

I think horse slaughter is disgusting. However, I would be a hypocrite (sp) if I were to say this and then eat meat. That is the main reason I am a vegetarian. The way any sort of meat is processed and taken from an animal is absolutely revolting to me..

bleh
 
#92 ·
I don't see how that would be THE reason why they are in that condition. All the animals that I have for the dinner table are well cared for. Really all my animals. I want a nice plump healthy chicken on my plate, not a skinny unhealthy thing. ick
I'm glad you stick to what you believe in Eventerdrew. :)
 
#100 ·
Like I said. No REAL information. Now OP's bailing out because she sees no way to prove her 'points'.

I'll listen to you if you get off YouTube, and do some REAL research. Then I might start to listen.

Until then. Have a fun time.
 
#95 ·
yeah I think the reason they are skinny is because he has about five horses per acre at minimum. But you are right, it doesn't make sense that he is keeping them skinny for consumption. I think that is just the way it worked out with the overcrowded pastures
 
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