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        10-26-2009, 12:48 AM
      #61
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CrazyH0rse    
    but was it regulated? And if so what were the rules and consequences?
    The USDA didn't care and they did nothing about it.The guys said they complained on a daily basis because the horses were coming in still alive after they were shot in the head and they were saying that they knew they were still alive because they were making noises and looking around. They were purposely torchering them when no one was around that would try to stop them.
         
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        10-26-2009, 12:52 AM
      #62
    Foal
    Well then the USDA would have been part of the problem in that situation.
         
        10-26-2009, 12:53 AM
      #63
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CrazyH0rse    
    well then the USDA would have been part of the problem in that situation.
    very much so.That is why I think the purpose of them existing is pointless.What goes on in these slaughterhouses even with cows and chickens needs to stop.
         
        10-26-2009, 01:08 AM
      #64
    Green Broke
    Nobody can make you look bad and uneducated except for yourself, so the problem does not lay with anyone but yourself.
         
        10-26-2009, 01:58 AM
      #65
    Yearling
    So...I'm confused. At one point you said that you wanted to have a debate and then not even a page over you said that you made this thread for people who agree with you. Did you intend to debate a subject with people who are for the same thing you are or what? Because I don't see how that would be productive at all....not that this thread is really going anywhere anyway.
    Also, you are saying that people are condeming your point of view when, at thesame time, you basically slap down anyone's ideas or thoughts that are for slaughter.

    And now my thoughts on the real thread: I don't believe that any of us would like to find our beloved horses mutilated in the pasture. And aren't these the times when you wish that we still held capital punishment near and dear to our hearts? Of course it's sickening, and I'd like to see them really pay for what they did, but this is from an outside view. What we should do is think about it from another angle. What if these men had families to feed? What if they had a reletive in the hospital and had no other job that could pay for it? We all like to point fingers at the bad guys, but sometimes things aren't exactly as they seem. Am I saying that what they did would be alright in any of those situations? No. Am I saying that they aren't just sick, money driven people? No, but we don't know why they did it for sure. What if you weren't a horsey person and for what ever reason you get force into a situation that requires despirate measures? What sort of illegal things would you do to survive or keep your family fed? Because, remember, to non horsey people, we seem crazy for loving these animals so much. What's one or two horses to these people? ....wow that got really long really quick... eh, to sum it up, They shouldn't have done what they did, but we also don't have all of the information nescessary to start casting all that many stones......
         
        10-26-2009, 03:03 AM
      #66
    Trained
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    I make this for people that agree with me.Not for people to try to convince me that it is right.
    Lol! You should put a disclaimer in the OP - "Only people who agree with me and make me feel good about my opinion allowed. Any disagreeing or debating posts, no matter how tactful, will be met with fingers in my ears and loud reciting of LA-LA-LA-LA-LA"

    I will probably get the same treatment because i'm in the 'slaughter is a necessary evil' camp.

    *Just a note - No book, video or story would stop me eating meat. I like it, it is healthy, and it is a staple in my diet.*

    Yep, I hate that ANY livestock is mistreated during the slaughter process. I do think that slaughter for ALL livestock should be humane, and regulated.
         
        10-26-2009, 05:54 AM
      #67
    Started
    Just don't acknowledge them alli, people like this are at a point where their opinions won't generally be changed. The best thing we can do is to put information out there so that we can direct interested parties to it, and go about life as best as we can. And it's true that for a topic like this a disclaimer would probably be a good idea, though I'm certainly not saying so in as rude a manner as the above poster.

    The last thing on earth I will understand is how anyone can justify killing any innocent thing, but we have to face the fact that most people are raised to see it as totally normal and necessary and think that people who disagree are crazy or misinformed in some way. Oftentimes publicly arguing with them only makes us the targets of people who want to make us out to be crazed fanatics or something, and when we allow people to see us that way they're far less likely to listen to what we have to say.


    And need I remind everyone: when you allow your arguments to become personal attacks, you're only shaming yourself and your beliefs.
         
        10-26-2009, 12:22 PM
      #68
    Green Broke
    Good gravy. Did the asylum bus crash around here and nobody informed me? Or are we just having a regular "pot calling the kettle black" week?

    rockyxpony - EVERYONE is entitled to an opinion. And quite frankly, the only attacking I see occurring, and the source of the generated rudeness is coming from the people on YOUR side of the fence. You just managed to single handedly in your post tell us we're bonkers for thinking they way we do. And yet, in my post, I told alli09 that it was good for her to have an opinion.

    I am not trying to change anyone's opinion, the point I'm trying to make is that don't make up lame reasons with holes in them to support your opinion. If you don't like slaughter, fine, but don't lash out at those who have a differing opinion, and don't attempt to debate if the best you can do is "because I said so, THAT'S WHY!" That doesn't make it true.

    Nobody called you or anybody else "crazy". I am MORE then willing to listen to what someone has to say, but I am a realist and a debater by nature. If you want to present an arguement, I'm going to debate that arguement. Debates VERY rarely result in either opinion being swayed, it is merely an exchange of facts that is SUPPOSED to leave both parties feeling like maybe they learned something.

    I'll never understand why people get so angry during a debate and feel it neccesary to hurl insults. It's like they're personally being attacked and become so narrow minded they just shut themselves down to outside views. I am not trying to change anyone's view, I am merely attempting to explain MY side of the view. It's not my fault if people just become angry when I do so. Don't make assumptions that everyone that disagrees with you is trying to "change" you.
         
        10-26-2009, 01:32 PM
      #69
    Foal
    You just basically call us crazy and we're being rude?come on now.I'm not reading all of that stuff because there is no point.I don't want my topic to close so can you please just not post anymore.

    And to wild spot, that book isn't just about how the animals get treated.It is about what you're really eating.You actually think meat is healthy when it is the leading cause of heart disease? When you eat a burger you are taking in more protein than you are suppose to and that isn't good for you.If you read that book you will understand where I'm coming from.
         
        10-26-2009, 01:33 PM
      #70
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rockyxpony    
    just don't acknowledge them alli, people like this are at a point where their opinions won't generally be changed. The best thing we can do is to put information out there so that we can direct interested parties to it, and go about life as best as we can. And it's true that for a topic like this a disclaimer would probably be a good idea, though I'm certainly not saying so in as rude a manner as the above poster.

    The last thing on earth I will understand is how anyone can justify killing any innocent thing, but we have to face the fact that most people are raised to see it as totally normal and necessary and think that people who disagree are crazy or misinformed in some way. Oftentimes publicly arguing with them only makes us the targets of people who want to make us out to be crazed fanatics or something, and when we allow people to see us that way they're far less likely to listen to what we have to say.


    And need I remind everyone: when you allow your arguments to become personal attacks, you're only shaming yourself and your beliefs.
    exactly why I wish they would just stop posting in this topic.Now it's probably going to be closed because they have to get there point across.
         

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