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        12-01-2008, 11:34 AM
      #11
    Weanling
    Some things your site seems to forget to mention is on the land where they did allow cattle to graze it was for exchange the the cattle org. Build watering ponds for the mustangs to share with the cattle so they could all graze a larger area. When you raise a much larger number of horses or any livestock them what can be handled by range conditions you either have to get rid of some livestock or figure out a way to expand their grazing area.
         
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        12-01-2008, 12:55 PM
      #12
    Chat Moderator
    True, I didn't know, that but we as catlemen (i was one here in Kentucky until 2002 and worked for another one until 2004) are always the bad guys in som people's mind.
         
        12-01-2008, 01:20 PM
      #13
    Weanling
    You may certain contact them with your concerns.

    I don't think they are the 'bad guys', however they are more concerned with thier own profit than with the land and the welfare of native fauna they are supposed to share with. These are not private lands, they are federal, and it is well known the BLM is hardly looking out for the horse, they are far more concerned with making the cattlemen and lobbyists happy, I guess since they are frequently the ones that got them thier job anyhow.

    The cattle have lobbyists looking out for them, and the HUGE cattle industry looking out for them, that is alot of bucks and power in thier corner. The wild horses only have people like me to speak out for them.
         
        12-01-2008, 02:24 PM
      #14
    Weanling
    People in business are in it to make money nothing new about that. Most people that have a job do so for money.
         
        12-01-2008, 04:28 PM
      #15
    Chat Moderator
    Country, sir you forgot to add that that ranchers, farmers, stockmen, or what ever you call them, make their living from that land and if they don't take care of it. It will not provide for them in the furture. The great kill off of 1880's (86 or) prooved that. Northern Plains ranchers on advenage loss 10% to 80% of their herds. Mainly due to over grazing and no hay stock piles or not enough. Cattle herd that is.
         
        12-01-2008, 05:19 PM
      #16
    Foal
    It was because of the cattlemen wanting use of the public lands that they rounded up wild horses and killed off large predators. The land rent charged by the government has gone down since Bush took office. When cattle prices dropped the government lowered the land rent for the cattlemen and since Bush they have gotten to use more acres for even less. The cattlemen using public land were given a financial advantage over cattlemen using their own land and/or renting private land. I remember some cattlemen in VA being driven out of business by low cattle prices because some people out west got greedy and started breeding too many cattle when prices were up. I stopped breeding cattle some years ago. I never made any amount of money and reading about cruelty at the slaughterhouse was THE END. I also became a vegetarian.
         
        12-01-2008, 06:10 PM
      #17
    Weanling
    I've never figured out this greedy thing some on here think working for living is.
         
        12-01-2008, 07:10 PM
      #18
    Chat Moderator
    Greed is making a profit now days, didn't you get the memo. Yes, I know what kind of profits ranchers make.

    One reason beef price when up around 2002 was the drought in Texas and the several other western states and demand was steady. Plus some other countries had a outbreak of mad cow disease. But it was the big ranchers out west, who caused it all.
         
        12-02-2008, 02:01 PM
      #19
    Foal
    They produced a million more head in one year when demand had not increased a lot and prices dropped because supply far exceeded demand and the number of cattle produced in VA stayed about the same so VA cattleman suffered even though they had no part in the overproduction of cattle and no guilt for the stinking low prices caused by the greedy. Without oversupply prices would have stayed up. Not only that instead of lowering prices a lot the slaughterhouses just made much bigger profits. Having privately owned cattle on public land costs the taxpayers money. They make a profit at the expense of other people,wildlife and wild horses. Since when do most cattle ranchers work hard. Most of them ignore their cattle most of the time except to move them around now and then or brand them or round them up for slaughter. Some of them have cattle that are wilder than the BLM horses.
         
        12-02-2008, 03:01 PM
      #20
    Weanling
    Since when do cattlemen work hard? Since theres been cattle I've worked hard with mine all my life and not been greedy once. Never known a cattleman that was greedy or didn't work hard. Just curious how many head of cattle do you raise and do you make a living out of greed?
         

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