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        09-07-2011, 09:29 AM
      #471
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    Oh boy.
    I wasn't pointing fingers at anyone in particular.

    I should clarify myself a bit, I wanted to be finished with this debate but I feel misunderstood.

    If slaughter was done humanely for horses (and cows too!) it would be a different story. I mostly eat free range and organic (yes I know that's sketchy too, but I guess it makes me feel a little better?).

    The videos all over the place of horses getting slaughtered inhumanely is what makes me shocked and appalled. If there was even a 0.1% chance that my horses would end up in a situation like that I wouldn't know what to do. I had no idea that is what slaughter looked like for horses. I HAVE been on a kill floor for cows (I used to work for Manpower back in the day, and hired temps)...and that was enough to stop me from eating any kind of red meat for years, and now I've only delved back into free range.

    Maybe I'm a bleeding heart, maybe I'm getting soft, I don't know, but regardless, I can't handle those videos and the thought of that being done to horses (or any other living creature). It makes me sick. I can't imagine that it's just some kind of weird propaganda either, that footage is real. I just don't get it. Those videos deeply disturbed me.

    I also can't get my head around the concept of sending a horse I have had for years as a pet/mount/work partner out to slaughter when he/she was no longer useful to me. I understand that it's a financial concern for some people to pay board or to feed a horse that is no longer useful, but I am fully prepared to keep paying board when the time comes to retire my horse. I just think it seems cruel to send an animal that has been with you almost his/her whole life off with strangers and a ton of other frightened horses to be slaughtered. It just doesn't seem right to me.

    I feel like I owe it to ALL of my animals to be there with them when it is time to end their suffering.
         
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        09-07-2011, 09:56 AM
      #472
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    I feel like I owe it to ALL of my animals to be there with them when it is time to end their suffering.
    And that is how I feel about all of my animals too. As does SR I am sure.

    That does not make slaughter cruel. It also does not mean that my choice should be imposed on the rest of the world to the detriment of horses that still go to slaughter.


    I am sure the videos are real to a point. In other words, yes, a horse/cow/goat/pig/whatever was abused or not treated right or whatever term you would like to use.

    There is also a VERY good chance those videos were shot in a place that is not the US. Mexico (for example) has far less restrictions in their slaughter plants.
    You do realize that by making it difficult for slaughter plants to be open in the US the horses that used to be slaughtered here, with pretty tight regulations, are now shipped off to places like Mexico to be slaughtered, don't you?
    Slaughter did not end.
    People still eat meat. People will continue to eat meat.

    If I wanted to twist some logic around (like the animal rights people like to do), it would be far easier for me to say that you (the people who wanted the plants closed in the US) support animal abuse. You are the reason the horses now have to have long trailer rides to another country and suffer in situations where the safeguards are not in place.

    Back to the videos.
    It is really easy to make anything look the way you want it to look.
    A few seconds/minutes of poor treatment can be made into a really impressively long torture video by using slow motion, changing camera angles, etc.

    There are bad people in every job.
    If (big if) that video was shot here in the US it is an example of that. Not the norm. It is an example of a bad person.
    When you get the bad plumber do you insist the whole plumbing industry is evil? If you get a bad vet do you insist the whole vet industry is bad?

    You are feeling what the animal rights people want you to feel. You are thinking with emotion instead of with logic and fact.


    Tangential thought - a bit back I was dealing with a colic episode with my old man. He wanted nothing more than to collapse to the ground and roll like a fool. We did a good job of not allowing this but every now and again he would manage to trick us into thinking he was going to lay their quietly. Do you know what I had to do to get him up again? Lets just say it was not pretty. It involved a whip and lots of yanking.
    If that was video taped and put together (it happened more than once until the meds kicked in) into one video with lovely drama inducing music in the back ground you would be sure with out a doubt I regularly beat my horse for no good reason.
    Speed Racer and goneriding like this.
         
        09-07-2011, 11:12 AM
      #473
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    I also can't get my head around the concept of sending a horse I have had for years as a pet/mount/work partner out to slaughter when he/she was no longer useful to me. I understand that it's a financial concern for some people to pay board or to feed a horse that is no longer useful, but I am fully prepared to keep paying board when the time comes to retire my horse. I just think it seems cruel to send an animal that has been with you almost his/her whole life off with strangers and a ton of other frightened horses to be slaughtered. It just doesn't seem right to me.
    I feel the same way, but that doesn't mean I get to impose my opinions on everyone else who thinks they should be able to sell a horse to slaughter without being vilified as an animal hater/abuser.

    Nobody is forcing anyone to sell their pet horses to the kill buyers, so I truly have never understood that argument.

    If you don't want your own horses going to slaughter, then make sure they're never in a position where it might be a possibility. However, if someone else chooses to sell to a known kill buyer, it's not your right to paint them with the 'evil abuser' brush. You don't know their situation, nor do you know if they consider their horses pets or merely livestock.

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    I feel like I owe it to ALL of my animals to be there with them when it is time to end their suffering.
    As do I. When I laid my heart horse to rest, I was there with him every second until he was gone. I also didn't consider the matter completely finished until I saw him safely buried the next day. I had his body tarped and stood guard over it all night.

    So please, consider what you're saying before you blurt out things that condemn others without knowing the whole story or how they actually feel.

    I don't think anyone on this BB is a heartless, cruel person when it comes to animals, but that doesn't mean some of us can't see equine slaughter for what it is; a way to use livestock that otherwise have no purpose.
         
        09-07-2011, 03:23 PM
      #474
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    Originally Posted by spookychick13    
    I also can't get my head around the concept of sending a horse I have had for years as a pet/mount/work partner out to slaughter when he/she was no longer useful to me. I understand that it's a financial concern for some people to pay board or to feed a horse that is no longer useful, but I am fully prepared to keep paying board when the time comes to retire my horse. I just think it seems cruel to send an animal that has been with you almost his/her whole life off with strangers and a ton of other frightened horses to be slaughtered. It just doesn't seem right to me.
    Hypothetical situation.

    I own a horse (which we know is the hypothetical). I got laid off this year (true). I now have no money to keep horse, and must sell him, as keeping a roof over my head and food in my stomach is more important. I couldn't find a buyer for him, even though he was priced to sell, so I have to send him through auction, and just hope for the best. Except then the worst happens. The kill buyer picks him up. I cannot undo that, as once the horse is sold, its sold.

    I wanted Dobbin to go to a great home, where he would be useful, but sadly it didn't turn out that way.

    /hypo situation

    So just because a horse ends up on the meat truck, does not mean that they were meant to end up there, or that the owner even wanted them there.
         
        09-07-2011, 04:30 PM
      #475
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    Hypothetical situation:
    Grandma can't work anymore, she can't afford to keep her house. She is getting dementia and is hard to deal with, she can even be mean.

    I can't afford to pay for her to go to a nursing home.
    Gee, I sure wish there was a grandmother slaughter house. :P

    I went to film school, I know about camera tricks, I am not that naive.

    I didn't intend to hurt anyone's feelings or condemn them with my opinion, which is just that, my opinion. If you don't like it, well ... that's life.

    In other words, I guess we can just agree to disagree on the situation.
    Sorry if you are now disappointed in me or think I am an idiot.
         
        09-07-2011, 04:32 PM
      #476
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    In other words, I guess we can just agree to disagree on the situation.
    Absolutely.

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    Sorry if you are now disappointed in me or think I am an idiot.
    Not at all.
         
        09-07-2011, 04:55 PM
      #477
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    I'm sure some Grandmas would prefer the slaughterhouse over losing their minds, or like mine, having to be on constantly so drugged up, she was out of it the last 5 years of her life.

    I would definitely choose the "Million Dollar Baby" way out, over suffering, or not realizing who I was. Quality over quantity for sure.
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        09-07-2011, 05:35 PM
      #478
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    I think we SHOULD euthanize people who have become so old and ill that they have no idea where they are, who they are or any hope of ever recovering. It's a colossal waste of resources to keep these people alive, an enormous burden of healthcare that could be better spent helping the people who DO have hope. Again, human emotion interferes.

    My favorite part is how it's okay to pull life support and let someone starve to death, and yet illegal to give them a lethal injection when they ASK for it. Yeah, really makes a lot of sense.

    Attempting to compare horse slaughter to other kinds of death is a moot point for most of the people who believe in slaughter because our beliefs have nothing to do with the actual horse - our beliefs stem from an overall acceptance that death is part of life and not something to be grieved over every time it happens and prevented in every way possible. Oh no, the pretty pony died - look there's six million more! It's a belief based on simple logic, not irrational emotions.
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        09-07-2011, 05:42 PM
      #479
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    I was joking around on the grandma/horse comparison.

    I actually liked Dr. Kevorkian, but there is a giant difference between humane euthanasia and slaughter, but let's not go there. :)

    I wonder how people would react to dog slaughter/eating, etc?
    There's millions of those too. Yet somehow dogs transcend livestock to most people.

    I somehow missed Million Dollar Baby...I should put that on my Netflix list, I hear nothing but good things about it.
         
        09-08-2011, 07:50 AM
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    I wonder how people would react to dog slaughter/eating, etc?
    There's millions of those too. Yet somehow dogs transcend livestock to most people.
    You have obviously not read this or any of the many other threads on this subject.


    Having spent a good quantity of time at an animal shelter, some of that time being the helper for the euthanasia tech I firmly believe that we waste a large quantity of viable meat.

    There are cultures that eat cat and dog.

    Since we refuse to not breed far more cats and dogs than we have homes for it seems far more responsible to humanely slaughter them for meat than it does to simply euthanize them.

    Why does it sound so much better to you (general you that look like this at the thought of slaughter) that their dead bodies are tossed in a trash bag with a bunch of other dead bodies and then tossed in a freezer? Kept in that freezer until there are enough dead bodies piled on top of each other to either run the mass crematoria or ship them to a landfill.
    Are they any less scared when me, a stranger, lifts them up on to the cold stainless table at an animal shelter while they are injected than they would be if instead of being injected some other humane way was used to end their life?

    To me it seems far more noble that their life had a use at the end.


    ETA - I do not have any problem with you being against slaughter, etc. That I for sure can agree to disagree with you on since I see no reason to make it my way or the highway like the anti slaughter people do. I do have an issue with you proclaiming that since we are not against slaughter we must be for animal abuse. That I will not agree to disagree on because that is just wrong.
         

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