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post #481 of 500 Old 09-08-2011, 09:43 AM
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I didn't say pro-slaughter was pro-abuse. I was just interested in where the line was. It does look like the way the animal is treated prior to slaughter is pretty awful.

Once an animal is dead, I don't care what happens to the body. Dead is dead. It's the way they are treated prior to and during the life ending process that concerns me.

I knew I should have kept my opinion to myself, I usually do because I hate internet debate. People take everything personally, etc. At least I learned my lesson. *I* didn't personally oppose slaughter in the US, while I might not have liked it, I think this current situation is worse, but hopefully it will be corrected.

I am also sure you are aware that an animal injected with euthanasia solution cannot be eaten (it's not supposed to go to a landfill either, one of the local crematoriums just got sued up the wazoo for that, apparently a bald eagle ate some remains in a landfill...and died).

I've worked in shelters as well, and we still have clients that would prefer to drop their pet off to put down. I try to make it as easy and gentle as possible for the animal, as I am sure you did too. Still, I would prefer a kind stranger to some pi$$ed off minimum wage employee who thought it was funny to miss a few times when trying to hit me with a bolt gun, or sawed away at my spinal cord (Yes I'm sure these were Mexican slaughter houses) while laughing and talking to friends.
As far as eating dogs and cats, YOU might not have a problem with it, but I can promise you that even mentioning it to some of my more frou frou clients would cause fainting or worse.

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Once an animal is dead, I don't care what happens to the body. Dead is dead. It's the way they are treated prior to and during the life ending process that concerns me.
I'm fairly certain everyone feels the same way spooky, regardless of which side of the slaughter issue they happen to fall.

For me, it's all about how they're treated while they're alive. Once they're dead, they're just another carcass like every other food animal.

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post #483 of 500 Old 09-08-2011, 10:04 AM
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I feel that way about people too!
I wish they could just toss me in a pine box and bury me. :)

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It does look like the way the animal is treated prior to slaughter is pretty awful.
It looked pretty horrible how I was treating my old man while he was sick too.
Things taken out of context can be horrible to see.
Considering the videos you are using for reference were put together by people that want you to be horrified it is not shocking that you find them to be horrific.

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Once an animal is dead, I don't care what happens to the body. Dead is dead. It's the way they are treated prior to and during the life ending process that concerns me.
I totally agree. I do not know anyone who does not totally agree.


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I am also sure you are aware that an animal injected with euthanasia solution cannot be eaten (it's not supposed to go to a landfill either, one of the local crematoriums just got sued up the wazoo for that, apparently a bald eagle ate some remains in a landfill...and died).
Yes, well aware of that fact. I stated in my post that cats and dogs would be killed some other way. You must have missed that line.

Carcasses do go to landfills now. Landfills are not just big open pits of trash. At least not modern landfills. (That is why the commercials about stuff 'getting in my drinking water' make me laugh.)
Trash is dumped and buried, dumped and buried, dumped and buried. It is a constant process of dirt being put over and mixed in.

The shelter I am talking about has a huge crematorium. They fill a truly huge freezer and then do a mass cremation.

I only know about the landfill taking carcasses now because a bit back a friend lost their horse and we learned that there is no local rendering company anymore. One of the options was to have the body picked up and taken to the landfill.

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Still, I would prefer a kind stranger to some pi$$ed off minimum wage employee ...
Most of the employees at the shelter make minimum wage or are there because they are doing community service.
Just saying.

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As far as eating dogs and cats, YOU might not have a problem with it, but I can promise you that even mentioning it to some of my more frou frou clients would cause fainting or worse.
Those same clients probably ignore the fact that the shelters euthanize large quantities of cats and dogs every year.
To them it is a none issue.



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I didn't say pro-slaughter was pro-abuse.
Then what did you mean by these comments?

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I just find it interesting that some of the people who are pro-slaughter on this thread will jump right down the throat of someone who is doing something that might be considered neglect or abuse.

Double standards apply.

My personal opinion is that some people can justify anything to assuage guilt.

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I'm sorry but I just couldn't do it, I couldn't send my either of my horses to a landfill. Mine will be buried on my land and marked. I know that's not an option for alot of people out there but When my sister's pony died a few years ago (at age 36) We dug a big hole with a track hoe and buried her. My sister couldn't handle seeing the bulldozer push her into the hole because it started tearing at her skin so we stopped it and She and I pushed the pony into the hole and climbed down and put a shirt around her face.. Call me crazy or sentimental but I just can't do it. I know it's just a carcass and it's kinda stupid for me to be like that but seeing Holly's pony pushed around made me change my mind about dumping them in a landfill..

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I feel that way about people too!
I wish they could just toss me in a pine box and bury me. :)
My father was cremated because he always said he couldn't see taking up a huge burial space; said it was a tremendous waste of usable land. My mother will be cremated when her times comes too, and they'll be buried in one small plot together.

I plan to donate my body to science, and they'll either cremate it and give it to my family, or will bury it somewhere. I won't care, since I'll be long gone and it's just a carcass.

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Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

That friend actually paid the fees to have the body trucked to a mass pet burial site.


I plan on composting mine. http://compost.css.cornell.edu/naturalrenderingFS.pdf
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I have no problem with the Canadian slaughter houses Saddlebag, it's just the longer trips the horses not close to the Canadian border have to make in order to get there. If we still had the plants open here in the US, local horses wouldn't have to travel 3,000 miles.

My horses live love at least 2000 miles from Wyoming.
It is probably a bit closer to the Canadian border........

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My horses live at least 2000 miles from Wyoming.
It is probably a bit closer to the Canadian border........
Of course some horses are going to be closer to Canada even if/when the US slaughter houses are reopened. I don't see the Canadian plants shutting down, since there will be plenty of horses close enough to them to make it easier and more humane for the animals to be sent there than anywhere else.

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What SR said. The Canadian plants near the border did not just open when ours closed.
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