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post #1 of 16 Old 03-01-2007, 03:50 PM Thread Starter
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Enhancing Performance? Or Abuse?

Please read and respond.I'm a member of Snohomish County 4-H Program, I'm extremely active in my counties program. I've been to our county and state fairs to represent Snohomish.

Every year my club requires each member that wishes to perform at the fair to do a public presentation aka: a demonstration.

This year it was hard for me to find a topic since I've been doing it for so many years now.

I decided that I wanted to do something that I didn't know a whole lot about, abuse. But not just any kind of abuse, I wanted to do it on abuse that ties to performance horses. Such as; soaring, drawing blood, tieing, etc.

I just don't know a whole lot about some of them, and was wondering if anyone had any other examples or information on them.

So if you know of any performance related abuse "tricks" that would be a good thing for me to talk about in my presentation, please let me know ASAP. And if you have any information on them, link me.
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I can tell you a little bit about soaring and TWH (Tennesse Walking Horse) abuse, they do all of this just for a show .
In order for the horses to pick their feet up the way they do they: Use some type of oil that burns and pour it all over the horses front legs and wrap them REAL tight and leave them like that for a few days. They also take a golf ball and drill a screw in it and leave the sharp tip out, they then tie that to the horses front feet and ride them like that for a while. This hurts the horse and it will pick up it's foot high in order to try avoid the pain, when the golf balls come off, the horse will continue to pick up it's feet thinking that if it puts it down, it hurt. They also put stacked weight boots on their feet as well as weight chains. The horses can only walk like this for a few minutes and is then exasted, with lathered foam dripping off of them This is about all I know, not all trainers and owners do this and not all shows are like this. And also, the TWH does have a natural gait, but what is so popular is NOT the real gait.
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I'm pretty educated with the TWH soaring abuse and such, I mainly need more info or other ideas from other breeds or seats.

Thank you though
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"http://www.walkinonranch.com/CNN.html
Something about Tennessee walking horse, it's been long ago but situation isn't any better today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFQYHuVihZw
http://www.videotiger.com/horseracingvideo.shtml
That beautiful creatures, thoroughbreds, are in most cases fated on this... "

Child in time gave these links in a previous post. PETA could help you with this project, whether it be via link or their website, or contacting someone and asking yourself.
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Thanks Kristy, I was about to put up those links next
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I've already watched all of those videos.

I was thinking more along the lines of what people do to show horses that are supposed to make them win, like the TWH soaring, and QH's and Paints sometimes draw blood to slow the horse down, also my friend said that she's seen people tie horses heads to the top of their stall all night so that their neck is tired the next day and they hang it really low.

Thanks again
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Rockgrinders could be used poorly in some hands, so can regular spurs, they will draw blood. I have also heard of bits with sharp wires on them ro make the horse respond more. People will teach horses to load in a trailer with brooms. People drug their horses, maybe you could find some drugs with dangerous side effects. I know a long time ago people would "Sack out" horses to break them, they would tie one foot up and place heavy sacks on their back. Some people would leave them tied for hours. People block horses legs and feet, when they are sore, this could cause the horse to not be aware of where its feet are making it dangerous for the horse and rider. I can't think of anything else right now, except for maybe tieing a horse down for hours in the round pen. Also I think people use dogs to teach horses how to load too.

Hope that helps.
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saddle seat can be soooo cruel, they put ginger or something between the horses' but cheeks so that it stings nad they lift their legs really high and and walk all wierd, also they put chains around the ankles like with TWH and they also wear these gigantic shoes that look like the equivalent to high heels and they wear them alll the time. I heard they liek wave stuff in their faces to freak them out so they look perky in shows. Lastly, look up tail setting, its so disgusting and cruel, its where they do surgery just to make the horses' tail stay up straight and I bet they don't turn their horses out... which is sacrilegious in my book
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Sorry, but people keep saying about the 4-H, and I've never known what it is? X Sorry if someone has already asked this and I've missed it! X
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This is one of my pet peeves and I'm glad to see you taking it on but trust me you wont win any friends or influence to many people if you really delve into it. First off I feel any time a horse is forced to alter their natural state is abuse. This includes all the gimmicks that are used to control them and the envirinments they are forced to contend with. You said you were familiar whith the TWH process of training and this even includes breaking their tails and splinting them to make them show better. Someone mentioned spurs. I haven't seen a pair of sures in the last 50 years that would draw blood on a horse unless they were being used in the most aggresive manor. They are a tool and signaling device . You will never even find rodio stock broncs or bulls with any spur cuts on them. People have bad mouthed them but at the same time they will use gimicks such as tie downs, martingales and any other pain inflicting bit or device to gain control of an animal. It's not natural for horses to jump either so forceing them to do so espacially on fox hunts and steeple chases where many jumps are blind is purely abuse. Go to your local tack store and take time to look over all the torture devices they sell with the hype that if you use this you will become a better horse person. Good luck and again my Stetson is off to you for takeing this project on.
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