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    01-09-2014, 02:46 PM
  #11
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Its very legal here in Texas as well, and it was done at the farm where I used to volunteer. I find it sick and cruel, and there is a MUCH higher risk of infection, complications, proud cutting, etc., but there isn't much that can be done about it. They had one very nice gelding die very shortly after gelding though because he was done incorrectly. It was incredibly sad.
     
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    01-09-2014, 02:58 PM
  #12
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by franknbeans    
I would be calling the authorities. This is cruelty to me too, and I really hope this is not true. Sickening.
Agree. That sounds just sickening.

The next time that lady and her husband need a surgical procedure done, let's just tie them up, and administer no anesthetic and no pain killers, and just CUT into them.

See how they like torture.

I can't imagine a more cruel thing you can do to an animal than purposefully inflict pain on them like that, when there is a much more comfortable way to do it.
     
    01-09-2014, 04:59 PM
  #13
Green Broke
Cruel. I don't know the law here, but odds are it is legal.
     
    01-09-2014, 05:08 PM
  #14
Foal
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Originally Posted by Hang on Fi    
That makes me squirm and I don't even have that equipment.

I "have" heard people castrating bulls by tying a string around their "boys" until they essentially "fall off."

I guess some people want to save a buck. I wouldn't even have the personal confidence to take it upon myself to geld a horse.
If your talking about banding, it is actually one of two vet-approved castration methods. Banding, a super strong band is put around the balls, and they wither and fall off; a tourniquet. Using a Burdizzo, they have to pin the animal, pry it's legs apart, and crush each cord. Its not just a matter of saving a buck- no incision, less chance for infection. If it wasn't for how tight to the body they're held, horses would be treated this way too.

Other little 'fun fact'- in the sheep world, cryptos are intentionally made by pushing the balls up and banding below it. They're used as teasers.

(I know way too much about animal balls...)
     
    01-09-2014, 05:14 PM
  #15
Weanling
That I didn't know :) Thank you for clarifying (Honestly!) I had only heard about it, never knew how it really worked. Sounded painful, but, it certainly makes it much easier on lowering hanging critters!

Never knew they intentional created crypts though! Interesting!
     
    01-09-2014, 05:45 PM
  #16
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We have castrated our own horses for about 40 years. We have never had an infection or a bleeder. I have a very good set of emasculators and have never had a problem with yearlings up to 10 and 12 year old studs. We lay them down and have never had a problem with a single one of them.

After my arthritis got bad, I lost my dexterity and nearly cut my arm off, so I had the Vet out to do 4 or 5 of them. One nearly bled to death and one got so infected I had to open him up twice. He was so bad, we had to lay him down the second time and completely open him up and enlarge the original incision. She did not open him up far enough the first time and he closed over.

After that, I made a deal with a cowboy that lives 1/2 miles from us. I furnish the sterilized emasculators, the 'know-how' and a sharp sterile knife and he helps us do it. We do any he has art the same time. We have done this for about 6 or 7 years now. I repeat -- we have never had one infected, proud cut or injured in any way.

Horses are livestock. Like cattle and other livestock, they handle just fine working them like other livestock. We lay them down and never have a problem with that, either. It is all in knowing what you are doing.

I learned to do this and other surgical procedures when I lived 75 miles or farther from my Vet. All I can say, if you want to use a Vet for everything, that is your business. If we, or other ranchers, do not need one for everything, that is ours. I use Vets for many things but routine things like castrations is just not one of them.
     
    01-09-2014, 09:09 PM
  #17
Yearling
Speaking from a purely clinical standpoint (or at least as much of one as I can manage because that disgusts me) I've seen something similar here a few times. I do believe that this is cruelty, no if and's or buts. Without any sort of local anesthetic or sedation plus the fact that they are tying a horse up and using that method to lie a horse down is not humane nor is it sensible in the slightest. I for one would be up the authorities AND the owners behinds like there was no tomorrow. Also I don't think that it teaches respect in the slightest. In my experience doing a procedure even in a good way does not endear or make the animal respect you in the slightest. Work with the animal does.

IMO they're going to get a horse or themselves killed when this goes awry. Seems to me like they've been pretty lucky to not have a horse bleed or fall out when they're doing their 'training' (and I've seen that happen, not pretty).

When a similar method was common around here we had four different people get killed. I do believe the common death blow was the horse fighting back and kicking the crap out of them. They'd all been "Doing this for years" and "It worked always".

Cherie: I for one have no problem using your method. None at all. In all actuality that's the method most of my vets and/or my bosses use. The main problem I have with this (and maybe I've read the OP wrong and grant it I'm not there) is not using the proper equipment and not having the proper knowledge of how to do it and the after care. (Not talking about a degree but just a simple "I was trained how by someone who knew what they were doing) I've seen some pretty hack jobs by individuals who had been doing this their 'whole life'.
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    01-10-2014, 08:46 PM
  #18
Green Broke
Like Cherie, my husband cuts our horses. I have said it here on HF before and I will say it again, my husband does a better job than most vets. Like Cherie, never had an issue with bleeding or infection and heals faster than most vets jobs.

We don't do like the OP described but they do get roped and laid down which is a hell of a lot safer than stretching between trees.
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    01-10-2014, 09:08 PM
  #19
Foal
My honest opinion, I see no problem with people cutting their own Horses. I do however, believe that it needs to be done in a humane way.I know alot of people who would rather do it! Shoot, if I wasn't scared I would mess it up I would do it myself. Vets are not perfect and aren't quite needed for every scratch that appears on an animal.

Its true..... Horses are livestock, just like cows and goats....but none of these animals should be cut in a cruel way.....yet people still do it. Such a shame :/
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    01-10-2014, 09:19 PM
  #20
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Leaking from incision MONTHS after gelding ????

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