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post #21 of 65 Old 01-11-2014, 09:05 AM
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I find it hard do believe that a vet who has done this procedure likely thousands of times has a lower infection or bleeding rate then "do it yourselfers".

People get pain and anesthesia ALL the time for things that don't seem as invasive as this. Having a superficial lesion removed usually involves lidocaine. I watch a circumcision in school, that baby got 4-5cc of lidocaine around the penis area. Women with tears after childbirth also get local anesthesia to the area before they stitch it together. Hell, even HORSES get numbed up for sutures!! These are VERY minor procedures compared to having you scrotum cut open and your testicles ripped out.

This isn't the 1800's. We have medication to prevent pain, make someone comfortable and to prevent medication. Not taking advantage of theses really is down right cruel!!
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post #23 of 65 Old 01-13-2014, 07:28 PM
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I use a Vet. I think some anes and being doped up for this procedure is the humane way .
Just how would you feel getting a vasectomy without any pain meds ? No more cruel than doing it to a horse w/o meds.
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I find it hard do believe that a vet who has done this procedure likely thousands of times has a lower infection or bleeding rate then "do it yourselfers".

People get pain and anesthesia ALL the time for things that don't seem as invasive as this. Having a superficial lesion removed usually involves lidocaine. I watch a circumcision in school, that baby got 4-5cc of lidocaine around the penis area. Women with tears after childbirth also get local anesthesia to the area before they stitch it together. Hell, even HORSES get numbed up for sutures!! These are VERY minor procedures compared to having you scrotum cut open and your testicles ripped out.

This isn't the 1800's. We have medication to prevent pain, make someone comfortable and to prevent medication. Not taking advantage of theses really is down right cruel!!
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It may be hard to believe, but yes, I would trust my husband over a vet for cutting colts. I have seen my husband cut hundreds just in the time that we have been together, not sure how many he has done before that.
He used to cut colts for a few stock contractors and our ranch raised colts. I have worked in training barns on and off through my career and seen plenty of colts cut by vets. Seen more complications from vet jobs.
I am not talking out my ass, just speaking from my experience.
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post #25 of 65 Old 01-13-2014, 07:51 PM
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I use a vet. I watched one gelding take place by a vet and that was enough. I don't even like cleaning fish that have been caught. Maybe if I grew up on a farm or hunted, it might be a different story. If I was transported back in time where hunting meant survival, I would be dead.
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Regardless of the outcomes, you don't think there is a better way to do it for your horses sake? If it was easier or quicker don't you think the vet would be doing it that way?

I really can't see any vet, money aside, who would condone gelding without anesthesia.
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Something else to consider, ya'll. Sometimes the horse that needs gelding (and needs gelding NOW) may not be gentle enough for a vet to administer anesthesia.

Personally, I have no problem at all with folks gelding their own so long as they know what they're doing but since I trust my vets and don't begrudge the bill for the rare occasion I need one gelded (and I have the time to get them trained enough to stand for the shots), I just have them do it.

Some of you may remember the herd of feral horses that we captured last year about this time, the herd where I got my little filly? There were 5 or 6 mature studs in that herd and several weanling/yearling colts. They were going directly to a broker and, likely, to a slaughter house...but the transporters won't transport studs or recently gelded animals. It needed done quickly, no time for training.

The only other option besides using ropes and good stock horses to lay them down was to squeeze them up into a chute and try to give a thrashing horse a shot of anesthetic. If they had tried that, they likely would have had several bleed out from having the vein in their neck shredded by the needle while the vet tried to give the shot.

Cattle are cut without anesthesia all the time, thousands are handled that way every year on ranches all across the country. That's the way it's been for over 200 years. Horses are no different. IMHO, people just get all squirmy because horses are "pets" and cattle aren't *shrugs*.

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Cattle and horses have a much higher pain threshold than humans.

I do not cut horses as it is slightly different than doing bull calves, but from cutting my fair share of bull calves I found the worst part of it is actually cutting the bottom of the sack off not the process itself.
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And they didn't have a difficult time with laying a 100% alert horse in survival mode and cutting his testicle open then ripping them out? One little needle would of sent them over the edge?

I don't agree with castrating live stock medication-less either. Smaller animals I can under stand, they can be taken off with one quick snip.

My solution? Well I don't know, I'm not a vet and I'm not a rancher. I just don't see the point in trying to save a dollar when your horses comfort is at stake.
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Cattle and horses have a much higher pain threshold than humans.
How exactly do you know that? Animals are stoic by nature, it doesn't mean they have a higher pain tolerance. Nature tells them to act that way so they don't get eaten.
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