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        01-13-2014, 09:48 PM
      #31
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    And they didn't have a difficult time with laying a 100% alert horse in survival mode and cutting his testicle open then ripping them out? One little needle would of sent them over the edge?

    I don't agree with castrating live stock medication-less either. Smaller animals I can under stand, they can be taken off with one quick snip.

    My solution? Well I don't know, I'm not a vet and I'm not a rancher. I just don't see the point in trying to save a dollar when your horses comfort is at stake.

    It's not about the needle, it's about trying to put the needle into a very large vein on a part of the animal that it's impossible to immobilize without choking them. You can't keep the horse from flinging his head around, but if you put a rope around the front feet and another rope around the backs and stretch him out gently, then he simply lays over on his side and nobody is going to get kicked or trampled. The horse isn't going to get more seriously hurt because he can't squirm around or move his body at a bad moment. It's not easy, but it's a lot safer for everyone involved, including the horse.

    As for just trying to save a buck, there's a lot more to it than that. You have to remember that this practice is most common in situations where there are multiple animals needing cut. Maybe an entire herd. $100 a pop is no big deal to me because I've only had to do it every couple of years to a single horse. However, if I needed 30-50+ horses gelded this spring, that's a lot of money.

    As for cattle, well, when I was working calves on one of the smallest ranches in this part of the country, we'd commonly cut 500+ calves in a weekend. Not exactly feasible to pay for anesthetic without the price of doing business, and therefore the price of meat, skyrocketing.
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        01-13-2014, 10:04 PM
      #32
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    How exactly do you know that? Animals are stoic by nature, it doesn't mean they have a higher pain tolerance. Nature tells them to act that way so they don't get eaten.
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    Actually they are quite expressive, you just have to know what to look for.
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        01-13-2014, 10:05 PM
      #33
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    IV isn't the only way to give a sedative .

    Like I said... I don't know a practical solution to making it cost effective and less painful for the animal. But the horses well being and comfort goes along with the responsibility of owning, farming, breeding, etc.

    IMO if your going to geld one of your horses at home with no pain medication or anesthetic it's simply to save a dollar. If your vet has a high infection rate (which isn't always the vets fault. Maybe infections happen after the fact.) maybe it's time to find a new vet. I can't think of a single reason why any horse, or animal, should go through being cut open and having body parts ripped out.
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        01-13-2014, 10:09 PM
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    I'm not being combative, just curious. How, exactly, would you go about giving a 12 year old completely feral stud enough sedative to knock him out to geld him....and how much would it cost you?
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        01-13-2014, 10:11 PM
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    Actually they are quite expressive, you just have to know what to look for.
    Frequently their body language isn't congruent with what's actually happening. My dog was in a lot of pain when he had ostioscarcoma. There was a tumor growing from the inside out of bone. He acted happy although there was no way he was comfortable. The vet was impressed how well he was coping because he knew he should be in fencing amount of pain. The last straw was when he actually started to show signs a pain. Just because an animal isn't freaking out doesn't mean he isn't in pain.
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        01-13-2014, 10:25 PM
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    I'm not being combative, just curious. How, exactly, would you go about giving a 12 year old completely feral stud enough sedative to knock him out to geld him....and how much would it cost you?
    They seem to be able to tranquilize big cats, rhinos, elephants. It probably would have been safer then stretching him out alone.

    Like I said, I don't have the solution to the cost situation. But if it were my personal horse id make him as comfortable as possible.
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        01-13-2014, 10:36 PM
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    I don't know anyone in my area, vets included, who have tranq guns.

    Well, that's not quite true, the game warden has one but it would be illegal to ask him to come tranq a horse for me.

    Either way, even if my vets did have one, we're still running into the cost part of it. Those studs I was talking about earlier, they brought anywhere from $75 to $200 each for meat. Even if they had been my horses (which they weren't), I wouldn't have been willing to spend $100+ on each of them for a vet gelding via tranq gun. Instead, they likely would have gotten a bullet.

    Harsh, I know, but true.
         
        01-13-2014, 10:43 PM
      #38
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    Let's say the drugs are free. Even if you can't get a tranq gun, you still managed to catch and lay down a 1,000+ feral animal. A quick injection to the neck, shoulder or rump is all it would of taken. <br />
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    I think that circumstance is pretty extreme, probably not a good example. These horses had no owner, if I remember correctly? No one to actually pay for the costs or give a toot about what did or didn't happen to them. Correct me if I'm wrong. <br />
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    Smrobs, would you geld your personal animals this way?

    Also, I'm 100% with you. A bullet probably would have been kinder. <br />
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        01-13-2014, 10:46 PM
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    If I was gelding 5-10+ and had someone who knew what they were doing, yes.

    But as I said, since I only geld a single animal on occasion and I trust my vets, then I have no reason to not use them.
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        01-13-2014, 10:57 PM
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    Frequently their body language isn't congruent with what's actually happening. My dog was in a lot of pain when he had ostioscarcoma. There was a tumor growing from the inside out of bone. He acted happy although there was no way he was comfortable. The vet was impressed how well he was coping because he knew he should be in fencing amount of pain. The last straw was when he actually started to show signs a pain. Just because an animal isn't freaking out doesn't mean he isn't in pain.
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    An animal doesn't have to be freaking out to show pain, the signs can be much more subtle. The key is being able to read your animals.
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