Originally Posted by SlideStop
My point what that if you need to lay a horse down, stretch him out with ropes, have someone sit on them, etc so they don't kick your head off its because they are/will be in pain. Those are some pretty extreme measures. I would 100% be a believer that horses have a high tolerance for pain and gelding without sedation is ok if someone could show me a video (or in person) of a horse with no sedation and no ropes (just halter and a maybe a chain) just stood there for that kind of procedure. Handler, halter, chain, scalpel and emasculator... I'd put my money on that never happening, because no horse would ever do it.
Okay, I get what your saying.
I will not claim that the procedure is pain free. I guess I hard time understanding since I don't compare horses or cattle to humans. The use of roping a horse(or bull calf) and stretching them out, while it may seem extreme to you, is the same reason a vet uses sedation-safety.
I think were just going to have to agree to disagree. I think it's awful nieve to think animal can handle the pain because they are animals. I really do get the need for a cost effective method of gelding, and like I said, I don't have all the answers. I wish I did. But to do it for one or 10 horses, I just don't think that's fair. How much is gelding? $150? I'm sure your vet could cut you a deal. Either way, if your breeding horses and you end up with all colts it still your responsibility to get it done. That's the roll of the dice you take.
Again, I'm sure all your animals are happy (except when their scrotums are being extracted and the testicles without a drop of something to take the edge off) and healthy. Obviously it works for you and I can't fault you for that.
I too agree to disagree and yes, our animals are happy and taken care of. I don't think any horse would complain about running loose on thousand acre meadows, fit and sassy :)
Our horse program is a bit different than what the general population does. Our horses run loose on the desert and meadows until they are brought in to get wean/cut/vaccinated/brand. At this point they have never seen a human, if so it was at a distance. Hence the reason for roping and doing things the way we do. (Don't know of many vets that is itching to make the drive out here to deal with that.) Some think this traumatizes a colt but I dare someone to pick out the horses in our herd that were untouched then handled in that manner as opposed to the bought horses that may have been raised and handled from birth.