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post #61 of 65 Old 01-15-2014, 12:16 PM
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SlideStop, I'm absolutely with you on this whole topic. Surgery without anesthesia sounds horrible, and there should be no economic reason for cruelty. Here, there is no such thing as castration without pain meds on horses, luckily - however, male piglets are still castrated this way, and they do show all kinds of pain symptoms. Times are changing, though, and even piglets are now often given pain medication before castration.
It amazes me how people can just claim animals feel little pain during the procedure, it reminds me of scientists of former times who took apart live animals, explaining all signs of pain as mere mechanical reactions... heck, even young babies used to be treated without pain management because doctors believed they felt little to no pain until they were older...
I do believe that short term pain might sometimes be better for the animal than longer periods of stress. But for domesticated horses, at least, the act of sedating won't be particularly stressful. As far as undomesticated horses are concerned, I'm sure while they are held down and immobilized for the procedure (stressful in itself), one could also give them a shot for the pain.
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post #62 of 65 Old 01-15-2014, 07:57 PM
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My point what that if you need to lay a horse down, stretch him out with ropes, have someone sit on them, etc so they don't kick your head off its because they are/will be in pain. Those are some pretty extreme measures. I would 100% be a believer that horses have a high tolerance for pain and gelding without sedation is ok if someone could show me a video (or in person) of a horse with no sedation and no ropes (just halter and a maybe a chain) just stood there for that kind of procedure. Handler, halter, chain, scalpel and emasculator... I'd put my money on that never happening, because no horse would ever do it.

Okay, I get what your saying.
I will not claim that the procedure is pain free. I guess I hard time understanding since I don't compare horses or cattle to humans. The use of roping a horse(or bull calf) and stretching them out, while it may seem extreme to you, is the same reason a vet uses sedation-safety.

I think were just going to have to agree to disagree. I think it's awful nieve to think animal can handle the pain because they are animals. I really do get the need for a cost effective method of gelding, and like I said, I don't have all the answers. I wish I did. But to do it for one or 10 horses, I just don't think thats fair. How much is gelding? $150? I'm sure your vet could cut you a deal. Either way, if your breeding horses and you end up with all colts it still your responsibility to get it done. Thats the roll of the dice you take.

Again, I'm sure all your animals are happy (except when their scrotums are being extracted and the testicles without a drop of something to take the edge off) and healthy. Obviously it works for you and I can't fault you for that.
I too agree to disagree and yes, our animals are happy and taken care of. I don't think any horse would complain about running loose on thousand acre meadows, fit and sassy :)
Our horse program is a bit different than what the general population does. Our horses run loose on the desert and meadows until they are brought in to get wean/cut/vaccinated/brand. At this point they have never seen a human, if so it was at a distance. Hence the reason for roping and doing things the way we do. (Don't know of many vets that is itching to make the drive out here to deal with that.) Some think this traumatizes a colt but I dare someone to pick out the horses in our herd that were untouched then handled in that manner as opposed to the bought horses that may have been raised and handled from birth.
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Two hundred years ago on a big ranch, I could understand horses being castrated without anesthetic. There was simply no better way.

But at this day in age, you don't have to do a surgical procedure on a horse without anesthetic. So why not save the animal from suffering?

I bet a couple hundred years ago they did tooth extractions on people without anesthetic too. But would we go to a dentist that did that today?

I don't understand the lack of empathy for a fellow living being.

If it HAS to be done that way, that's really unfortunate. But if you have a choice, why not have empathy for the animal and save them some stress and pain during a serious medical procedure?
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post #65 of 65 Old 01-17-2014, 12:29 AM
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IF I had to NOT have a vet do a castration i would at least give the horse bute. Its not a sedative but good god im not that cruel. If you are dealing with feral animals and 50+ ok, I completely understand. But if you have only say 5? I think you can at least bute them. I understand they are considered livestock, but just because we CAN do something dose not mean we SHOULD. I CAN beat the ever loving snot out of my mare and use a spiked bit, and crank her head to her chest, but i SHOULD not. I (proverbial) CAN castrate a small number of horses without paint killers but I SHOULD give them at least bute (I never have seen a horse castrated without a vet so I don't have personal experience). Its like getting your teeth drilled without pain killers some can handle it (Me to an extent) but if started to hurt you would be given something. Bute is not that expansive, and it should be cost effective for a small number of horses.

As to braking the horses without letting them heal that is @#$% up. Im sorry but using and animals pain as a training tool is beyond cruel. You already cut his nuts off while he was well aware of it, at least let him heal.
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