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        06-24-2010, 01:33 PM
      #21
    Foal
    Thanks I know what I am talking about. This is what I want to go to school for. Thanks
         
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        06-24-2010, 01:34 PM
      #22
    Foal
    Oh and they can sell the horses too
         
        06-24-2010, 01:36 PM
      #23
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    Originally Posted by walkergal    
    BUt the owners could call someone of they can't take care of their horses anymore.
    Who? Who is this person they can call? Do you really think if there was another option, most people would send their horses to slaughter? Sure, some people might still, but they're no more fit to own horses than a slaughterhouse.

    Some people might not have time to call people, even if there WAS someone willing to take them in. Bankrupcy, a death in the family, job changes, financial reasons.....all would give a family limited time to rehome a horse. If the horse is sick and medical bills can't be paid, slaughterhouses get another horse.

    There is no more room for all these horses. There just isn't. Overproduction and an economy where the only people who own horses are the ones who like them or make use of them decrease the amount of places horses can live in.

    You say the horses can be sold. If they're selling them to meat markets for $100 a head, how do you think they're going to get any real money out of them? Don't you think if most owners could sell a horse for $800 and guarenteed life, they would over $100 and guarenteed slaughter?

    You also say you know what you're talking about because you *want* to go to school for this. *Want* to. What about all of the posters on here who have much more experience than a girl scout wanting no little precious ponies sold to the glue factory?

    It's time to face reality: There is not always someone to call when things go wrong and your sick, diseased horse needs a new home.
         
        06-24-2010, 01:37 PM
      #24
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    Originally Posted by walkergal    
    Thanks I know what I am talking about. This is what I want to go to school for. Thanks
    What exactly is that, that you want to go to school for?

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    Originally Posted by walkergal
    Oh and they can sell the horses too
    Um no. Not true with many horses. Have you not read your local Craigslist? Heck, it is hard to give away a perfectly sound usable horse sometimes.
    The market sucks. People can not just sell Dobbin anymore.

         
        06-24-2010, 03:29 PM
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    Thanks I know what I am talking about.

    Apparently you don't, since you seem to be completely unaware of the real life scenarios we've put forth for you.

    Being that you've shown your inability or unwillingness to actually learn about the topic about which you want to write, I can only conclude that you're very young, naive, and think that everything can be solved with simplistic idealism.

    If you're older than 13 it would shock me, because of your extreme naivete. If you're 13 or under, then I'm not going to continue to argue with a child who has no true life experience as of yet, and who has no concept of the hard choices we adults sometimes have to make.
         
        06-24-2010, 07:27 PM
      #26
    Yearling
    Walkergal slaughter is something that is needed more of in the world right now.
    There are THOUSANDs of horses right now starving and in pain there are a couple of hundred rescue centres. These rescue centres are at the capacity where they can look after what they have properly and give them a good chance of life again. If they were to take in another load of horses then all of the current horses they have there life quality would then go down to compensate for more coming in. Would you not rather 20 well fed happy content horses in this world then 40 hungry miserable horses who were saved from slaughter?

    A horse does not distinguish fear so when you take say a little 6month old foal from his dam to wean his fear is no more different then taking your 16year old horse to the slaughter house they have no concept of what is going on. The problem most people have with slaughter is that they can't distinguish there people feelings from animal feelings.

    Also why is it awful for a horse to go to slaughter and the peson who sends them is cruel, mean , obviously didnt care but if a farmer loads 100 of his cows on to a truck for slaughter its ok? They all will be scared sure but people seem to give horses these humane feelings they have.
    Sure there are other options but are they going to pay?? A vet costs lots of money to put the horse down and dispose of the body whereas a slaughter pays. In recessionary times every cent counts. Sure you might be in an ok financial situation but try see it from a different point of view an entire family are living in poverty and the horse out the back is doing nothing because its old or sick. That horse will feed an entire family if it goes to slaughter but could possibly bankrupt them if they get him euthanised.

    Animal charities ALWAYS pawn off the bad side of slaughter but how often are they showing you the bad side of recession?? If the horse is cpsting more then the family has then horse goes. There is not enough buyers out there to take in all these uneanted horses.


    ALso slaughter removes the bad from the world. Horse blood lines are becoming comletely washed out with all the breeding that occured any horse that showed any kind of potential was bred to anything. These alright horses are nothing special and there are hundreds of them out there. Now you go to auction and you see actual well bred horses going for nothing then a whole load of BYB horses which are you going to go for?? The horse world needs to get rid of its muck and slaughter is the only way to do it.

    Also there are entire continients starving to death and we have thousands of unloved horses that are edible standing around.......Sorry but those people need feeding to.


    Sure its not pretty or desirable Iv sold a few horses that way myself obviously I wouldnt sell my heart horses to slaughter but if circumstances arise that I can't get rid of them any other way and we need money well I can tell you my parents would have them gone. It is how it is and that's that. When you have seen enough badly built not good enough for anyhitng horses being bred you will understand why they need to removed from breeding and destroying the horse world eventually,
         
        06-24-2010, 08:18 PM
      #27
    Foal
    A mare my mom bought was abused. The people that used to own her shot her with bebe guns and poked her with pitch forks. She would pace back and forth for hours at a time and now when she lays down you can lay with her. She is an angel. (:
         
        06-25-2010, 05:33 PM
      #28
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    Walkergal, do you actually think there are "people" who can buy horses to save them? Where do you live? The local papers, craigslist, classifieds, are full of horses to give away because someone can no longer feed them, the choice is their family or the horse. Its' sad, but when the choice comes to pay the rent and feed the family and feed the horse, then something has to go. Hay is expensive, alot of folks can no longer pay for feed. I will assume you have never had to deal with reality, watch someone in the family lose their job and be glad to work at McDonalds to keep their family in a home. Sure, they had a good job and keeping a horse was easy, now it isn't. So, they have to sell the horse for slaughter, people are no longer taking free horses, rescues are full up, retirement farms are full up. Where do you want these horses to go?
    You need to face reality. Don't say "I know what I am talking about" because you obviously don't. I would rather see a horse euthanized or destroyed for slaughter instead of being turned loose on public land to fend for itself. Ever see that happen? A horse that is used to being fed twice daily now have to live in a desert with no grazing or water? Do you think that horse would rather starve to death or be put down quick and painless? People are taking horses onto public land and turning them loose to die a slow painful death because they are not wild and can't fend for themselves. The wolves, bears and other critters are now killing and eating them.
    So, maybe you better really think about what you are saying. Unless you are a PETA, HSUS or other fanatic, then horse slaughter is not abuse, it is saving an animal from a slow lingering death by starvation or dehydration.Only the PETA, HSUS, etc folks make it sound horrific, of course their desire is nobody owns ANY animals at all, ever.
         
        06-27-2010, 07:14 PM
      #29
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by ForeverAulina    
    A mare my mom bought was abused. The people that used to own her shot her with bebe guns and poked her with pitch forks. She would pace back and forth for hours at a time and now when she lays down you can lay with her. She is an angel. (:
    oh that is horrible :(... but that is so sweet that you can lay down with her, she must be very gentle and very loving
         
        06-27-2010, 07:25 PM
      #30
    Foal
    Okay, here is the thing, I apprectiate all you guys bringinf my attention to these these things of why horses are slaughtered. I have decided to leave this part out of my project. I have my own opinions and you have your opinons. I am aware of the recession that is going on, my family is being affectted by it. If you go back to before the recession horse slaughter was still happening. I think it is wrong when people jsut do it. I know you all are going to keept drilling it into my head. I am sixteen and I have read things and formed my opinion. THis is the last I am going to be talking about this. If any of you have stories of abuse of horses other than starving, I will be happy, well not really happy, but I would appreciate it if I could hear those stories instead of facts that I already do know. THank you so much.
         

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