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        01-01-2012, 03:13 AM
      #11
    Foal
    But thanks to those who were kind enough to tell me where I should have
    posted, or support that I have a right to. Happy New Year to you......
         
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        01-01-2012, 04:40 AM
      #12
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by wildhorsemoon    
    ...I'm looking for those who actually look a little beyond what they are spoon fed by the big money lobbyist and horse industry and those who care about the treatment these horses get. My apologies for forgetting about free speech and all that...I'm not after a debate or snide remarks, although I can back it up ....
    If you don't want rude comments, then it helps to refrain from making them.

    Or does it seem polite to you to accuse those who disagree with you of being stupid - "spoon fed by the big money lobbyist"?

    I'm not part of that "puppy mill" AQHA, although I resent it being called such. I have one Arabian, one mix Appy & a BLM mustang. I'm not part of any big business, although I resent the assumption that big businesses are evil. I don't race my horses, although I think a gallop is fun.

    I do find the thought of horses being shipped to Mexico for slaughter a bit more horrible than the thought of them being killed in the USA under US law and with US inspectors. That doesn't make me a puppet of some evil big businessman, who sits in his cellar at night, laughing maniacally as he plots the torment of horses for a few pennies of evil money. Assuming otherwise is why so many here resent the 'ban slaughter' threads.
         
        01-01-2012, 03:30 PM
      #13
    Foal
    I was not rude in any form in my original post , and if my other post was unkind, it was only because others were rude to me first. But I have checked out some other threads about this subject and I see pretty much how it goes. I urge everyone to dig a little deeper because this is not about starving, neglected horses like so many are led to believe. And from comments in other threads this is a common misconception. But as I stated earlier you won't change my mind, any more than I will change yours. I find ALL horse slaughter objectionable. And I merely stated the kind of people I was searching for. The treatment people have gotten from this group when starting these threads has a common feel.... those opposing are stupid, and treated as such, very rude replies and a condescending attitude from the group. I read some fairly knowledgeable replies, some downright ignorant ones too. So maybe its okay if , as someone who opposes this, I have the same attitude as the rest of you who support it...... you are the ones who set the tone... I have the same right to express my opinions as you do.... I have done nothing you all have not done to me and others.
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        01-01-2012, 03:49 PM
      #14
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by wildhorsemoon    
    I urge everyone to dig a little deeper because this is not about starving, neglected horses like so many are led to believe.

    Your assumptions that those of us who are pro slaughter are rude from my point of view, you think that we are being 'led to believe' certain things..

    Well in a way you are right, I do not live in the US, so I can only believe what I am told that I find credible.

    I believe the many tales I read of horses being dumped, I believe the rescues that are overwhelmed and are desperately looking for homes for so many horses. I believe that a lot of good people have had to give up breeding good quality horses because there is just no money in it. My heart breaks for those people who have for so many years bred responsibly and conservatively to improve their respective breeds who have had to quit.

    I believe that people in the US cannot believe the prices that we are paying up here in Canada, well that's because there is a bottom to our market, where you guys have no floor to yours.

    You are as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine, I'm just a little shocked that you are unable to look at the misery caused by the slaughter ban and think that things have improved for either people or horses.
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        01-01-2012, 04:12 PM
      #15
    Foal
    I am aware there is misery with or with out it. You are aware that there is a new wave of people wanting to farm horses for this...... what does it fix then ?

    My intent was never to be insulting, I was looking for certain people, but those I was NOT seeking out are the ones who seem so compelled to jump in and tell me how wrong I am. To what purpose ? I am on one side you are on the other, we will not come to an agreement, I think that is something we can all agree on.

    As far as the rudeness I was only responding to the treatment I received. I am entitled to form my own opinions on the subject and the group.

    Can you not close your account here ? If you can please let me in on how. Otherwise I will just delete everything and leave it dormant.

    Its been enlightening....
         
        01-01-2012, 04:19 PM
      #16
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wildhorsemoon    
    If you would have read all of my post it says at the bottom there is a bill to support that is the horse slaughter prevention act that is due to come up for vote. And yes the QH industry does use propaganda to further their agenda. Since they are the puppy mill of the equine world, they like having this in place to clean up their mess. Along with big Ag and the race horse industry. Personally I would rather see a horse take a bullet in the head than to go through the cruelties of slaughter. And this is not to cure some neglect problem. I'm looking for those who actually look a little beyond what they are spoon fed by the big money lobbyist and horse industry and those who care about the treatment these horses get. My apologies for forgetting about free speech and all that. Funny, one person said " Another thread about Horse slaughter" so I'm guessing there are a few of "my kind" here after all.... I only put the " if you are for it respectfully move on" to avoid this very thing. I'm not after a debate or snide remarks, although I can back it up .... they were quite rude considering what I posted....... just wanted to provide info to those who care and might want it. Thanks for the welcome, I haven't been here for quite some time and have not checked the forums...... I'll monitor this thread briefly for a day or so , but no worries I won't be back.


    woah there hoss! Every argument has two sides
    While I agree that your original post was not rude, you did in turn become rude and insulting.
    Yes some of the others may have been rude, or blunt, this forum is meant for everybody to be able and voice their opinions.
    Itís not about ďyour kindĒ itís the fact that this topic has been argued/debated/talked about so much and thereís only so much you can do for it that it can be overstated, thought out, and discussed
    Yes in some places horse slaughter is unbelievably cruel; itís not like that everywhere. And it is necessary. I can see both sides of the argument.

    Try to keep an open mind about us. You have to remember that everybody here comes from different places, backgrounds, and beliefs and our opinions will clash, itís inevitable
    This is a great forum with knowledgeable and supportive people and I would hate for you to become negative towards it just because of a difference of opinion.
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        01-01-2012, 04:20 PM
      #17
    Trained
    I don't believe you can close your account, neither can you delete, we all have to stand by what we have posted.

    If you truly believe in what you say then you wouldn't want to run and hide because the going gets a little rough. Sorry but this forum enjoys the benefit of free speech, and we all get to state our opinion.
         
        01-01-2012, 04:25 PM
      #18
    Trained
    YOu cannot delete, to my knowledge, however, you CAN figure out how to push the "post reply" button once.......

    It would not have taken much looking here to figure out how this thread was going to go, in fact, I think you knew, which was why you posted only for those who support you to respond......

    It bothers me when people are so closed minded that they cannot come to a forum and even read things that educate them...agree or not. THis forum has a lot to offer, but if this is all you are interested in, so be it.
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        01-01-2012, 04:34 PM
      #19
    Foal
    Not running or hiding, and will gladly stand by what I post, just not welcome here and I have lots of other places to be. Thanks to those who were nice ....

    Like I said before , wasn't looking for arguments or a debate, just wanted to pass on info to those who wanted it. That was my purpose, it got turned into something else I don't really have time or patience for. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I am well aware of the pro stance, did not need any of that input. Which is why I posted like I did. I will gladly use my energy to debate this with those who can change it.

    I just prefer the company of friends....

    Thanks for the info on the account, edited my profile.

    I do keep in mind both sides are for the most part wanting what is best for the horses.... but there are those who simply don't care about the cruelties they suffer, and that's what I am fighting.
         
        01-01-2012, 04:35 PM
      #20
    Foal
    Not running or hiding, and will gladly stand by what I post, just not welcome here and I have lots of other places to be. Thanks to those who were nice ....

    Like I said before , wasn't looking for arguments or a debate, just wanted to pass on info to those who wanted it. That was my purpose, it got turned into something else I don't really have time or patience for. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I am well aware of the pro stance, did not need any of that input. Which is why I posted like I did. I will gladly use my energy to debate this with those who can change it.

    I just prefer the company of friends....

    Thanks for the info on the account, edited my profile.

    I do keep in mind both sides are for the most part wanting what is best for the horses.... but there are those who simply don't care about the cruelties they suffer, and that's what I am fighting.
         

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