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post #111 of 212 Old 11-30-2011, 09:48 PM
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They try to make it as humane as possible.
However, its just as cruel to watch a horse die of starvation, or be in such pain but the owners can't afford to euthanize it. I am curious what you consider bad conditions?
I just got done shooting and slaughtering two steers. They dropped in their grain buckets and until they bled out, their muscles etc jerked and moved, yet there were dead, no eye movement or motion. Do you consider this cruel also?
Or is it because its okay to kill a steer, but not a horse? A shot to the head is fast and quick. I have also been involved in many euthanizing of horses, it is usually very fast and quick, but I have seen ones go wrong and it takes longer than normal. Guess that is considered cruel also.
It might disgust you that the bill was opened again, BUT, since I doubt you or anyone else has the land/feed necessary to keep all the old, sick, injured or whatever else condition horses for their lifetime. Years ago people could afford to keep horses as yard ornaments for their lifetime, now the economy makes it very difficult to do.
I would rather seen horse slaughter done again that watch the way people treat the same horse: let it starve, turn it loose to see wild animals eat it, dogs chase them for sport through fences, or just take it on public land somewhere and leave it and drive off, after all, is a horse so it should be able to fend for itself
A trip in a trailer and a quick bullet is much faster than other scenerios.
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post #112 of 212 Old 11-30-2011, 09:51 PM
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I've often thought that a required class and license would be good for the human overpopulation problem. You know, just because you CAN have children, doesn't mean you should. jk
I have always agreed with that! Being a direct result of un planned and poor parenting, and doing the run around with foster parents, I always said that you should have to qualify to be a parent- similar to the process of adopting children.
[QUOTE= Rules, regulations, laws, etc. are a way for the powers that be to artificially regulate the supply/demand market. The government doesn't do a very good job and more often than not, makes things worse.[/QUOTE]

I can't disagree with that no matter how hard I try!
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The registering for breeding plan would only be applicable to people who are the more responsible breeders and I am betting even they would oppose to more fees they would have to pay to breed a horse. Breeding is expensive, especially when you are breeding horses that are registered with breed associations.

In addition, those who could care less about the welfare of the industry and health of the individual animals and are just breeding for the hell of it are going to completely disregard any sort of registration like the one you suggested.
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It would be as impossible to regulate breeders/owners of stallions as it would be to regulate breeders/owners of dogs that can reproduce. Impossible.
Problem is, as soon as the government can tell you how you can breed your horse/dog/cat/bull, etc, they are taking away more rights. Right now some places you can't own "bully" type dogs, breed specific laws, etc. are made everyday across the US. Would you want someone to say" okay, you can breed QH, but you can't breed Arabians because they are too high spirited, Draft horses are too big and cost to much to eat, Thoroughbreds are crazy. You get the point, as soon as a restriction came into effect to halt anyone from owning a stallion, breeding a mare, then those same restrictions and laws will stop you from owning certain breeds.
How about if nobody can slaughter beef anymore because it is cruel? So what, stop producing beef, everyone has to eat vegetarian? A horse is a horse to some people, a pet and lifelong companion to others. Nobody has the right to tell you you can't breed it or slaughter it. Its YOUR animal, but you don't have the right to choose the way someone else takes care of THEIR animal, even though its not what you would do.
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Yeah. You're probably right. But I really think that if enough people were on board, it could be possible. Like if you have a foal to an unregistered sire or dam, then the foal can not be registered. And only registrations are permitted among people who have completed their certification class... Something like that maybe? Hit me again, Ike!
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Kind of like the old saying...

you can pick your friends. You can pick your nose. But you can't pick your friend's nose.


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Same concept applies though. It does not apply to you, it is not yours, keep your fingers off of it.
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Or is it because its okay to kill a steer, but not a horse? A shot to the head is fast and quick. I have also been involved in many euthanizing of horses, it is usually very fast and quick, but I have seen ones go wrong and it takes longer than normal. Guess that is considered cruel also.
People often forget that as well. Euthanasia is not the end all for humane methods of death. My brother's old boss had a horse that was hurt very badly in an accident. The vet attempted to euth the horse and the horse layed there for a very long time, thrashing and fighting after the shot was given. Even after a subsequent dose of drugs, the horse still did not die. Finally my brother used his gun with a shot to the head that killed the horse instantly. I'm sure if that horse could talk, he would say that he would have preferred a bullet to begin with.

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Again, trying to regulate horse breeding would be like dog breeding. You can't register puppies/dogs through AKC without the sire/dam being registered. DNA is required after siring so many litters or whelping so many litters.
BUT, instead of stopping people from breeding mix breeds or poor examples of dog breeds, they have instead made up "fake" junk registries and sell puppies that way. What do you think designer dogs are? They can't be registered with AKC, so they have designer dog registries and lets face it, they are MUTTS. Labrdoodles, cockadoodles, yorkipoos, morkies, puggles, these are all made up breeds that people pay and arm and leg for because they are "designer" breeds.
It would be just the same thing in horses, start putting controls on breeding and breeds and folks will just make up new breeds and start registries for them, and sell them for more money because they are "rare".
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There is also a little thing called personal freedom and limited government. We don't need the government intruding any further into our lives. If there is something wrong in your lives then fix it or learn to live with it. Don't look to the government to fix everything that's wrong in your life.
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I am very very happy to see some post in the support of the removal of the ban. I see so many posts from people throughout the world to try and get American's to have the ban put back into place. Makes me want to shake my head. Everyone seems to get so tied up in the emotions of their pets. I remember writing an essay in a college Agriculture class on the need for a lift on the ban. I swear I had girls that had been sitting next to me pick up their stuff and move away from me. But heck, I got one of the highest grades on that paper in the class. Honestly I have known cows and pigs with loads of personality and uniqueness....I still eat my bacon and burgers just fine. Most people have already posted on my opinion so I won't make it long.
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