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post #201 of 212 Old 12-02-2011, 04:48 PM
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Very well said Gremmy!

I've lived in the city, country, abroad, work in a VERY liberal industry, and I live in the wilderness now. So I feel like I have a pretty good perspective on the way different societies work. I don't feel like generalizations are a terrible way of getting a point across, because they "generally" are the rule. When I have my city folk out they freak when they find that I stay out here in the middle of nowhere, hike alone in the forest, stay by myself most of the time, and leave the house only once every two weeks. They couldn't handle it, nor could they handle grabbing a chicken by the head and cracking it's neck. But when the closest market is over 55 miles away on crooked mountain roads a quick burger is out of the question. That chicken only cost me $2 to feed my family and if I'd driven to the store and bought it I'd have to pay over $50 in gas and the bird.

So as a general rule city people do not "GET" what it is to have to kill an animal because it's meat, not some purdy pet, the money and animal is wasted if you just put it down. They also don't understand how other cultures would GLADLY have Mr. Ed in the larder instead of running free wild and living out his days happy and fat or wasting away when he is suffering and old. It's a waste, just like any other animal.

Now just the other day a local man was convicted of animal cruelty when his horses got out and he lassoed one and DRAGGED it home with an ATV. Said he sped up to get the horse to stand up because it layed down on him. The police had to euth the horse it was so torn up. Now THAT is also STUPIDITY in the country "redneck" population. But you won't find a bunch of stupid country people signing their rights away and letting the gov tell them what they can and cannot do with their lives and livings. There is the difference, that man was not ignorant as to his actions, he was stupid. Thinking that the gov imposing upon our lives is a good thing because it directly lines our pockets or prevents a "crisis" is stupid and selfish.

@ Bearkiller I 100% support you on the gov/school thing, ours go to private where they are taught FACTS not FEELINGS and AGENDAS. It pains me to no end knowing that I'm paying double and supporting that crud.

I've always wished I was more ignorant, "stupid", it's bliss! :) But not an excuse.
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post #202 of 212 Old 12-02-2011, 05:23 PM
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@ bearkiller: I don't "hate" you: I think you're a stubborn old cuss too stuck in his ways to consider that he might be wrong.

As a generality the school systems in the US are somewhat subpar. I have a 4th grader who should be in gifted but isn't, either because its gone or the teachers simply don't care. I asked about this constantly for more than two years of being shunted to the next sacrificial lamb for me to bug... I'd send her back to private school but I can't afford it right now. I may end up homeschooling.

Anyway in the other thread YOU saId, Bearkiller, that college was indoctrination/ brainwashing and useless. I'm not the only one who disagreed. And if you're gullible enough to believe everything a teacher says without your own research, then you (the student) deserve to be called an idiot.
I am no idiot. I am city born and raIsed. We hbave hatched, bred and eaten our own chicken and quail. Would like to say that I have at least once in my life, I would like to kill butcher and taste my own deer... Not yet but soon.

I guess according to you alls generality , I'm what? An exceptional city person? Well if you feel that you own the keys to human common sense, by all means TEACH US. What good does it do to hoard knowledge? Turn my argument (the one where I make the call for self education lol) and SHOW some ignorant city people the harsh facts of nature!

Stuff dies, nature is cruel, animals eat meat , we are omnivores, grocery market food in bloodless plastic package comes from a fuzzy cow/goat/pig/horse. Share what you know and maybe we'll have less PETA members ;)
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Ha! :)

I'm generalized allll the time when I tell people I'm from AR. They are shocked that I have all my teeth, wear shoes, can speak eloquently, and am not inbred! I guess I'm an exception to the rule also!

We also bring over 45,000 people into the state every year and they are shocked to find that baptists/Christians can throw down with the best of them! We are not all a bunch of hypocritical stiff necks. Trust me, I'm working on it!
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I'm not old at all. I may however be stubborn. If you want to butcher a deer, have someone show you. I've done all of my cutting and wrapping myself for the most part and it doesn't phase me. I think they were put here for our use.


As for as your gifted 4th grader, that's exactly my point. That's why I have 2 kids in private school at 600 dollars a month. I'm not rich at all and I can assure you, I'd have alot nicer saddles and horse trailers ect,if I didn't choose to pay for their quality education. But I don't mine sacrificing my earthly desires to hopefully give my kids a better life. You have to admit, even if not on this board, at least to your self, that most young adults are like sheep. Very few have the ability to think for themselves. Colleges feed that. Is it every person? No. Is it every college? No. Is it a good number of both? Absolutely. I am going to houston for the next week on Monday and will be hunting all weekend so I probably won't be back on for a while. The only reason I am saying that is I don't want you thinking you scared me off. Haha

This, too, shall pass........
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post #205 of 212 Old 12-02-2011, 06:10 PM
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Guys, your past few posts have had little to nothing about this horse slaughter topic. Next time take it to private messaging? Going to unsubscribe from this thread as the constant replies leading to off topic posts isn't cool with me.
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As far as public school trying to indoctrinate kids into becoming brainwashed clones and atheists, that sounds like a crock. Teachers are real people just like everybody else. One of the top Georgia state standards in science education is that the teacher will instill in the students a healthy skepticism of materials they are presented with. I once gave one of my college biology students extra credit for disagreeing with the text book because he had a really good argument. I teach my students that they should NOT believe anything just because I say it. They should form their own opinion based on evidence.

As to horse slaughter, there are obviously two sides to it. From my point of view, I am seriously concerned about horse theft if the price of horses goes up. I have a mare that I payed a tremendous amount of money for, at least in my modest budget. There is no way that I can get my money back, but I don't want to sell her anyway. When there was a slaughter plant 100 miles away, there were many stolen horses.

The only reason that I believe that people want horse slaughter is that they want a way to make a profit on horses that don't work out for them. If money were not involved, they would simply euthanize their horse when necessary. Horse abuse and neglect has gone on long before the slaughter plants closed down. If we are concerned about wasted meat, why do we euthanize and throw away millions of unwanted cats and dogs every year. They could be used for food just like the horses. The total weight of meat that is destroyed is way more for sweet little puppies and kittens........
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I agree.. It's just getting off topic and heated. We should probably get this thread closed... Told you it never ends well :/

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For some reason I can't LIKE your post Celeste... So, I LIKE your post ;)

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As far as public school trying to indoctrinate kids into becoming brainwashed clones and atheists, that sounds like a crock. Teachers are real people just like everybody else. One of the top Georgia state standards in science education is that the teacher will instill in the students a healthy skepticism of materials they are presented with. I once gave one of my college biology students extra credit for disagreeing with the text book because he had a really good argument. I teach my students that they should NOT believe anything just because I say it. They should form their own opinion based on evidence.
Couldn't agree more. The woman that took me in and became my legal guardian was first my teacher. She is a feminist, vegan and a member of PETA, who has very strong beliefs. She doesn't try to "brainwash" her students, and she didn't try to brainwash me even though I was living under her roof for 6 years before I left for college. Teachers are just people with a job to do, they do their best to teach you what's outlined in a curriculum, make sure you follow the rules, and MAYBE if your parents were lucky they'd teach you some manners... they aren't trying to "brainwash" their students. Believe me, if their job was to "brainwash" you, they'd make a hell of a lot more money.
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My Aunt and Sister are teachers :) They don't get paid enough for what they have to actually do, all the little extras to help give the kids as much education as well as enough personal one on one time with them.

Personally... I think NOT going to college is the STUPIDIST thing I have heard. What job can you get with a high school diploma? Work at McDonalds? Sorry, but I would rather be "brainwashed" than work at McDonalds...

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