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    11-26-2011, 05:23 AM
  #31
Yearling
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Originally Posted by MakaylaSimba    
guys I really don't know all the info about this issue, all I know is that a really nice girl on youtube saved her horse from slaughter and asked people to sign the petition, so I did, she also said try to get other people to sign it......so I posted it here
Not to criticize but... You really should research things you put your name to.
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    11-26-2011, 05:46 AM
  #32
Yearling
If only we lived in a perfect world....
     
    11-26-2011, 07:45 AM
  #33
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If you try to stop something you don't like and it causes an even worse problem, you haven't exactly helped anything have you? That is what we are all trying to say.

The 'throwing away' of horses is not going to stop because there are always going to be unwanted horses, unsuitable horses (for any useful purpose), unsound horses, etc. Helping them keep their value (even if it is for slaughter purposes) keeps them well cared for and well fed right up until their demise. When they lose their value, like they have now, they suffer a MUCH worse fate of starvation, no Vet or hoof care and are literally being starved to death in thousands of back pastures out of sight right now.

Please don't sit there and tell me that this 'loss of value' has been helpful to unwanted horses in general. I know better.
     
    11-27-2011, 01:53 PM
  #34
Banned
IMO, the REAL solution to the problem is to introduce legislation to control BREEDING horses rather than legislation to HUMANELY slaughter horses!!!


In other words, I'd like to see HUMANS stop trying to put a nice humane face on an ugly way to control a problem HUMANS created....

The horse "industry" breeders, the backyard breeders....they are ALL the cause of this problem. Introduce legislation to STOP THE BREEDING rather than introduce legislation to clean up the influx of unwanted horses that follows!!!! THAT would be the real HUMANE thing to do.....anything else is CYA...i.e. Too many horses in the world so lets find a way to slaughter them nicely by adding rules and regulations to make it sound nicer... but which still amount to the animal's pain and death!



I won't say anymore on this subject. It raises my blood pressure too much...
     
    11-27-2011, 02:09 PM
  #35
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Beauseant    
In other words, I'd like to see HUMANS stop trying to put a nice humane face on an ugly way to control a problem HUMANS created....
But...this is all (domestic) animals. When we provide food and the opportunity to breed, we interrupt normal population ecology...numbers increase...and then there's a problem.

Actually, I see you're from Pennsylvania. When we moved here, we noticed that there is a different culture with respect to the care of domestic cats. No one spays and neuters...they even made it FREE here where I live...and they have plenty of kill shelters, and a constant stream of free kittens online and in the paper. Have you seen the pictures in the kill shelters of the piles of bodies? That would be easily avoidable, if people cared enough to spay and neuter, or if they realized that Pookie does not need at least ....one litter... /FACEPALM.

At least with horses/cows/goats/pigs the deaths can serve some sort of purpose...to what purpose is the deaths from euthanasia at a kill shelter serve?
     
    11-27-2011, 04:01 PM
  #36
Green Broke
I don't have a problem with horse meat, providing the horse's aren't transported for hours on end, starved and cramped. If they're given a clean death, then that's even better.

Out here horse meat is fairly cheap where you can find it, so you have to think about people who can't afford chicken, pork or beef. I agree, don't stop it at all. Unless of course you're going to take in all those old, lame, crippled horses and keep them happy till they die of natural causes?
     
    11-27-2011, 04:06 PM
  #37
Weanling
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Originally Posted by demonwolfmoon    
When we moved here, we noticed that there is a different culture with respect to the care of domestic cats. No one spays and neuters...they even made it FREE here where I live...and they have plenty of kill shelters, and a constant stream of free kittens online and in the paper. Have you seen the pictures in the kill shelters of the piles of bodies? That would be easily avoidable, if people cared enough to spay and neuter, or if they realized that Pookie does not need at least ....one litter... /FACEPALM.

At least with horses/cows/goats/pigs the deaths can serve some sort of purpose...to what purpose is the deaths from euthanasia at a kill shelter serve?
I agree that people should be sterilizing their pets, but I don't personally think you can compare the overpopulation of stray cats and dogs to that of horses. In general, horses are not running feral, in every neighbor hood of the US, breeding all by themselves. The percentage of genuine accidental horses is negligible.

What we need to have in place is a system where people have to apply for a certificate for each breeding and pay money to file the the paper work. It need only be a nominal fee to discourage what I consider idle breeders. Then fine the snot out of anyone who tries to sell a horse without the proper certificate. This, imo, would bring a screeching halt to those breedings where someone goes "I have a mare that has stood unbroken and good for nothing all her life and you have a stallion that is not butt-ugly in the right light, let's breed them."

This would create jobs and bring in money in the way of fees and fines to fund itself. I am also not suggesting that the government have any say in the actual crosses you can breed or anything like that, but if you are serious about breeding your mare, you simply submit a nominal fee and a short worksheet saying that you are going to do so and in what year it will take place to avoid the switching of certificates.

That being said, I think the TB racing industry could keep the slaughter houses in business even with legitimate breedings.
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    11-27-2011, 04:20 PM
  #38
Trained
Many posters have mentioned slaughter as a necessary evil. It may be necessary but it is not in any way evil. You may think of your horses as large furry children but they are not. Horses are not self aware and not really any smarter than a cow only more trainable (maybe). We don't need government regulations on breeding we only need an outlet for the horses that are unwanted and unneeded. Even well bred horses that have been well cared for thier whole lives develope injuries that require them to be put down. Many people like myself would prefer to have the animals body used to feed people rather than dumped into a hole to rot. If that's evil then so be it. I sent a horse to slaughter last month that I had for several years. He was a fine horse when he was sound and my kids loved to ride him. Sadly, he was crippled with navicular and no longer had a good quality of life. I couldn't feel good about throwing a thousand pounds of meat into a hole in the ground if there were people that would eat it. The only thing I regret is that I couldn't haul him myself to a more local plant and make sure that he didn't have to endure a long trailer ride with unfamiliar horses that would try to establish a pecking order.

The process by which horses are killed in packing houses is as humane as an activity can be that ends in the death of the animal involved. The horses may be scared but probably don't know what's happening and then it's over quite quickly. Most horses are dead before thier brain can process the pain of the bullet or bolt entering thier head. Obviously the smaller and slower the plant the more attention that can be given to the animals welfare and comfort.
     
    11-27-2011, 04:27 PM
  #39
Trained
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Originally Posted by MysterySparrow    
I agree that people should be sterilizing their pets, but I don't personally think you can compare the overpopulation of stray cats and dogs to that of horses. In general, horses are not running feral, in every neighbor hood of the US, breeding all by themselves. The percentage of genuine accidental horses is negligible.

What we need to have in place is a system where people have to apply for a certificate for each breeding and pay money to file the the paper work. It need only be a nominal fee to discourage what I consider idle breeders. Then fine the snot out of anyone who tries to sell a horse without the proper certificate. This, imo, would bring a screeching halt to those breedings where someone goes "I have a mare that has stood unbroken and good for nothing all her life and you have a stallion that is not butt-ugly in the right light, let's breed them."

This would create jobs and bring in money in the way of fees and fines to fund itself. I am also not suggesting that the government have any say in the actual crosses you can breed or anything like that, but if you are serious about breeding your mare, you simply submit a nominal fee and a short worksheet saying that you are going to do so and in what year it will take place to avoid the switching of certificates.

That being said, I think the TB racing industry could keep the slaughter houses in business even with legitimate breedings.
That's all we need is another government bueracracy to funnel away our money and erode our personal freedoms. It is thinking like yours that has this country SCREAMING down the road to socialism. I don't need a government permit to do everything in my life. The U.S. Constitution defines the role that the federal government should play in the lives of the citizens of this country. Everything not defined by that document is the perview of the state and local governments that are much more readily accountable to the people.

I have no desire to live in a country where I must ask permission to do with my property what I want. I have never had a nanny and I surely don't need one now.
     
    11-27-2011, 04:36 PM
  #40
Weanling
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
That's all we need is another government bueracracy to funnel away our money and erode our personal freedoms. It is thinking like yours that has this country SCREAMING down the road to socialism. I don't need a government permit to do everything in my life. The U.S. Constitution defines the role that the federal government should play in the lives of the citizens of this country. Everything not defined by that document is the perview of the state and local governments that are much more readily accountable to the people.

I have no desire to live in a country where I must ask permission to do with my property what I want. I have never had a nanny and I surely don't need one now.
I did not say anything about the government giving or controlling permission to breed. I simply said that having to get a certificate for each breeding would make people think a bit more about the implications of wanting to breed. There is a big difference between slowing down the process in order to get people thinking instead of reacting and eroding personal freedom.
     

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