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post #21 of 29 Old 10-03-2013, 03:58 PM
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Years ago, we had Gypsies illegally move some animals onto land next to my horses. One poor beast had what looked like a broken shoulder as the leg was useless and it's body condition was extremely poor. Long story short, I told them I was going to call out the RSPCA if they didn't get a vet out asap to put the poor beast down. They told me that if I did, they would cut the throats of my horses and let them bleed to death. I walked away petrified, didn't know what to do next. The injured animal disappeared hours later, I hope my intervention helped bring it's suffering to an end but I guess I'll never know. I have witnessed much horse abuse at the hands of Gypsies, the authorities always seem reluctant to intervene.
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post #22 of 29 Old 10-03-2013, 11:53 PM
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I was not impressed by the Gypsies I saw while in Ireland for any reason, and certainly not their horsemanship. They sure seem to abuse the laws there and nothing is done. They've figured out every angle it seems.
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Not all gypsies are the same, and iv just rescued a horse off a gypsy! Seriously though there are some good gypsy horsemen around, and gypsys race on roads because people in the uk and ireland generally dont like them, gypsies are not allowed to race on tracks generally
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Roadside Rose, people in the UK and Ireland don't generally like Gypsies BECAUSE so many of them engage in illegal activities such as road racing. Gypsies have a long history of horse breeding and dealing, many are extremely knowledgeable horsemen. However, all too often their horse training and animal husbandry practices leave much to be desired and unfortunately fall into what most of us on this Forum would call "abuse".

I, too, have a Gypsy pony rescue. Also, I worked as a RSPSA volunteer for many years and helped rescue a number of Gypsy horses, rounded up from running feral on housing estates or tethered without food and water on grassless verges.

I live close to the site of an annual Gypsy horse fair. Take a walk behind the scenes, it's not for the faint of heart. Aside from the horses, there will be dozens of litters of puppies for sale in tiny cages, most too young to be away from their mothers, some barely have their eyes open - it is against the law in this country to sell puppies in this manner. Oh, and don't forget the fighting cocks, also freely available if you knock on the right caravan door . . .

One of my own dogs was originally a Gypsy's poaching greyhound (hmm, "poaching", another unlawful activity). When they broke camp, where they had been staying without the land owner's permission (naturally), they left him behind to starve to death. He had a severe leg injury and was of no further use to them.

Sorry but I am tired of Gypsies complaining that their bad reputation is undeserved. As soon as they start treating their animals with respect, stop behaving as if they are above the law, earn their money by entirely legal means and pay their taxes, maybe I'll reconsider.
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I agree with MissingStar. I have known some really great gypsies and bought ponies off them in confidence over the years but sadly there are some really awful ones who give the rest a bad name. They need to put their own house in order and then they might get better thought of
I had a small terrier that was left tied to a bench in freezing cold weather after they moved on - presumably because she didn't serve whatever purpose they wanted her for - but if I hadn't been riding that way and seen her she would most likely have died of starvation as it wasn't a well used area in the winter. The man I worked for back then had a young lurcher that was left wandering in the same way - I guess they couldn't catch it as it took us a week to tempt it into a shed with a bowl of food it was terrified of people but so hungry it gave in. She never did learn to trust strangers.
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post #26 of 29 Old 10-10-2013, 01:48 PM
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All I meant is that its not right to tar them all with the same brush, I run an animal sanctuary and only one horse was rescued from gypsies the other 11 came from people who you think would be respectable my clydesdale came to us as a bag of bones, the problem isnt gypsies it people who dont know or dont care about these animals welfare, and I dont agree with Appleby or Kenilworth but I also dont agree with dressage trainers starving hundred's of horse's to death either, just dont think its fair to say all gypsies are bad people
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Roadside Rose, I completely agree that it isn't fair to say all Gypsies are bad people. With that in mind, rather than making judgments on the heresay of others, I much prefer to speak as I find. Unfortunately, after 30+ years of dealings with Gypsies I have witnessed disproportionately more bad than good in comparison to the general population. This is my personal experience.

Those individuals who fully comply with the final sentence of my above post from earlier today, have my utmost respect. Maybe I mix with the wrong crowd, but I've found them to be somewhat thin on the ground.
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When I first came to Ireland, I was warned of the travelers. I told the Irish people I came to work for that "surely they cant ALL be bad". Unfortunately in my years here, I have yet to come across any that I would want to socialize with again. Saying this - the poor horses I see tethered in and on the outskirts of Dublin are possibly worse off than those with the travelling community.

It's a shame that there is such a stigma about them, but they don't seem to have done themselves many favours to move away from it.

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post #29 of 29 Old 10-11-2013, 02:26 AM
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Maple, it has been my experience that the horses tethered on the outskirts of towns and cities tend to belong to the "settled" travellers, or are being cared for by relatives of absent travellers. I have an album full of pictures taken of these tethering practices but I don't think Forum rules will allow me to share.
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