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    04-05-2010, 04:55 PM
  #31
Showing
Vicki, instead of getting all your 'information' from propaganda, why don't you do some real research?

None of those sites have any real validity, except maybe the first one where some of the vets have banded together. I did read that website, and they have some valid points. However, the points they're making have always been a concern for those of us who aren't opposed to equine slaughter.

Just because we're not opposed to slaughter doesn't mean we're for abuse. Any animal, regardless of its ultimate fate, should be treated humanely.

The rest of your links are just the same old, 'animals are peoples and deserve rights too!' krayzees.
     
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    04-05-2010, 08:18 PM
  #32
Foal
horse slaughter paper

Speed Racer, I have done my research for many years. I have worked on investigations, work with rescues and have done extensive research on slaughter. I live in IL, not too far from the former Cavel plant. I saw firsthand what they did to the community, the horses and their non-compliance with waste water regulations. I would appreciate you citing what you believe to be propaganda or was that a blanket statement because you don’t have facts to dispute the information? I would challenge you to dispute anything on American Herds. Cindy’s analysis is impeccable.

VEW is not “some vets” that have banned together. AVMA/AAEP have never polled their membership which is why VEW was formed to get the facts out. What the organizations say is not what the members say. The AVMA study that the anti-horse folks love to use to promote use of the bolt was a controlled study done by veterinarians, for veterinarians. The bolt was administered by vets and does not portray use by unskilled workers in mass slaughter. Horses were secondary in the study which was for livestock, not horses.

You will not see anything relating to animals rights from us because animals will never have rights except to be treated humanely. We are not animal rights, we are equine welfare advocates.

We do not slaughter, but euthanize non-food animals in the US. Just because there is a market in other countries, doesn’t mean they should be slaughtered in a country where they are not food animals. Do you support slaughtering dogs and cats for Asian markets? Horses are not bred or raised as food animals. They are not tracked like livestock and are not safe for human consumption. The EU has finally realized this and is enforcing the drug regulations. The drug manuscript on slaughter horses that was recently published by the peer reviewed journal, Food and Chemical Toxicology does not print propaganda.

If you want to slaughter horses then they should be treated like livestock. Pasture ornaments waiting to go to slaughter. If you plan on racing, performing, using them in law enforcement, therapy, reining, cutting, rodeo, sport or work, then they are not food animals because they require meds that are prohibited in food animals to keep them healthy and at peak performance. That is a decision that must be made at birth. They must be tracked and complete vet records provided just as we do with livestock. The opposition to NAIS last year was clear, owners don’t want their horses tracked.
     
    04-06-2010, 01:37 AM
  #33
Trained
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Originally Posted by vicki9    
They must be tracked and complete vet records provided just as we do with livestock. The opposition to NAIS last year was clear, owners donít want their horses tracked.
The opposition to NAIS is because it is a waste of money and it won't work any better than the current system.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble but I have raised cattle and horses for most of my life and the only thing that I need to send a beef cow to slaughter is a brand inspection and those are only required in western states. There is no requirement for documentation of vaccines or medical treatment.
     
    04-06-2010, 11:07 AM
  #34
Showing
Vicki, you're very well spoken, but you trot out the same, tired old arguments that I've heard over and over, especially the one about slaughtering dogs and cats for the Asian food market.

We kill thousands of unwanted dogs and cats a day. If someone wanted to utilize that meat, who am I to say no? The animals are dead regardless, so what does it matter what happens to the carcass?

Not all vets are against equine slaughter. Of course the vets who oppose equine slaughter are going to have problems with how the animals meet their fates. In fact, some vets won't euth a healthy animal even if requested to do so by the owner. Does that mean all vets take that stance? No. Many vets see no problem with rendering horses for meat, nor do they impose their personal morals upon the general horse owning public.

I've known many beef cattle farmers. There are no regulations in place that vet and vaccination records are required with the cattle who are sold at auction that will ultimately go to feed the population.

The EU may track livestock, but their regulations and requirements do not carry over to the U.S. NAIS was defeated because as Kevin said, it's expensive, cumbersome, and does no more than the system already in place.

Whether or not an animal is specifically raised for meat is a moot point. Whether or not they receive vaccinations and dewormers are also moot points, because beef cattle receive vaccinations and dewormers, too. In fact, the dewormers used on cattle are the very same used on horses, just in a different dosage because of the breed and size of the animal.

I agree wholeheartedly with animal welfare. I think that all animals, regardless of whether or not they're turned into food, should be treated humanely from birth to death. You'll get no disagreement from me on that.

As long as you've done the proper research and reached your own conclusions based on the data presented, I have no problem if your opinion differs from mine.

The facts are still the facts; we have thousands of unwanted horses in this country, and we don't have the funds or space to take care of all of them for the next two or three decades.

We also don't have the space with which to bury thousands of chemically euthed large animals without endangering the water supplies and human populations.

Burning the carcasses would create pollution of another kind, cremation is expensive, and since the animals would be chemically euthed, rendering them for non-food use would be prohibited.

So, knowing all of that, what is your personal solution for caring for these animals who may live to be 30 to 40 years of age? How many of the thousands are you going to take?

I'm full up. I can't afford to take on even one more without putting the financial ability to care for the ones I already have in peril. Most of the people I know who own horses are in the same situation.

I'm lucky, because I have the land and can bury my own animals. I also own several guns, so if push came to shove I could euth one by bullet if I had to.

It's okay to love your own horses. It's also okay to be sad to think of all the unwanted ones going for meat. What's not okay is somehow thinking that because you don't like the idea, then it should be illegal.
     
    04-06-2010, 11:14 AM
  #35
mls
Trained
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Originally Posted by vicki9    
If you want to slaughter horses then they should be treated like livestock. Pasture ornaments waiting to go to slaughter. If you plan on racing, performing, using them in law enforcement, therapy, reining, cutting, rodeo, sport or work, then they are not food animals because they require meds that are prohibited in food animals to keep them healthy and at peak performance. That is a decision that must be made at birth. They must be tracked and complete vet records provided just as we do with livestock. The opposition to NAIS last year was clear, owners donít want their horses tracked.
1st - I do raise cattle. They are not tracked and rarely see a vet. We do all of our own tagging, worming and vaccinations. The only thing the sales barn wants is where they came from.

2nd - Horses ARE livestock. Our state fought for the right to consider them livestock to get rid of the pet tax

3rd - the opposition to NAIS was the 'big brother' theory.

For the record - we register and show our cattle. Some of the cattle are worth more than some of the horses. They are all livestock.

Slaughter - pig, cow or horse - is necessary.
     
    04-06-2010, 04:55 PM
  #36
Foal
MIS, the issue isn't whether or not they are called livestock. The issue is they are not food animals.
     
    04-06-2010, 05:01 PM
  #37
Banned
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Originally Posted by vicki9    
MIS, the issue isn't whether or not they are called livestock. The issue is they are not food animals.
That is a matter of opinion. You are allowed to have yours. Others are allowed to have theirs.
     
    04-06-2010, 05:02 PM
  #38
Lis
Yearling
Horses were food animals before we used them for other means. For a lot of people that hasn't changed.
     
    04-06-2010, 05:05 PM
  #39
Started
Just because they are not food animals in the US does not mean they are not food animals somewhere else if they are food animals anywhere they can still be called food animals Speed Racer has already mentioned about hindus not slaughtering cows because they are scared in either this or another thread I have a friend who is a hindu but she accepts that cows are food animals even though she doesn't consider them food animals.
     
    04-06-2010, 06:08 PM
  #40
Weanling
Who ever said horses arent food animals. I know allot of people who have eaten horse, and if I could just find a nice fat one....
     

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