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        04-06-2010, 05:20 PM
      #41
    Foal
    Why should anyone be required to take the animals? I certainly donít expect anyone to take care of my animals. Why do you dismiss owner responsibility?

    Every cow can be traced back to the original farm. You canít do that with horses. Somewhere in the chain, someone is signing a document stating the livestock are safe for slaughter and have not received prohibited substances and the owner/farm identification. If you take it to auction, the owner signs a statement and the animal is given a USDA tag that identifies the owner. Many livestock have ear tags. I have a friend that raises boar goats and he said they have to have USDA tags before they go to auction. If you want horse slaughter, then you should care about EU regulations because that is where the market is. That is who you are selling to so if you canít document they are safe for humans to consume, then they will not accept the horses. Just about every US horse has received a banned substance at some time in their life. Itís no different with livestock. If they have received banned substances, they cannot be slaughtered for food.

    They may be old arguments, but facts donít change. Yes, dogs and cats are killed every day but they are humanely euthanized, not slaughtered. There are 800,000 horses euthanized or that die of natural causes. Some are buried, some are rendered and some are cremated. Responsible owners/breeders donít whine about a 1,200 pound animal or blame everyone else. They donít make up excuses on why they canít give their animal a humane death. And yet, the owners of less than 2% of the horse population canít figure it out.

    If someone is against chemical euth, the horse can put down by firearm by someone that knows what theyíre doing and it is just as humane as chemical euth. The real issue isnít the environment, burying the horse or wasting meat. The issue is they have to pay to humanely end their horseís life vs sending it off to a brutal death and getting paid.

    Do you think people would still send their horses to slaughter if they didnít get paid? Do you think the breeders would continue to over breed if their dumping ground was gone? Just imagine what the dog and cat shelters would be like if they started paying owners to dump their dogs and cats. That is what you are doing with horse slaughter. You are paying breeders and owners to be irresponsible.
         
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        04-06-2010, 05:23 PM
      #42
    Lis
    Yearling
    So what do you propose to do with all the bodies if slaughter was completely banned?
         
        04-06-2010, 05:46 PM
      #43
    Showing
    Pish-posh Lis, don't bother her with silly details!

    Vicky, I would suggest finding a more anti-slaughter friendly BB before you lose your mind.

    Seriously, you appear to be an intelligent individual, but you're fighting a losing battle here.

    No amount of rhetoric or hand wringing is going to change our minds, and I think you'd be happier with a group who shared your viewpoint.

    You're more than welcome to stay of course, because I think you could add insight and information to the BB. Just not about equine slaughter, 'cause as a whole we're not opposed to it.

    FWIW, my animals are all euthed humanely, I've never sold at auction, and I have a 'useless' horse now who will be with me until he passes. He will then be buried, alongside the one I had put down in 2007.

    You can't paint everyone with such broad brush strokes. What I do with my horses does not give me the right to dictate what others may or may not do with theirs. That's the problem I have with all the antis; do what I want because I say so and know better than you!!!

    That's all it essentially comes down to. You find something distasteful, so think everyone else should too.
         
        04-06-2010, 05:59 PM
      #44
    Banned
    No, the individual irresponsible backyard breeder, professional breeder, etc. makes no money from equine slaughter.

    The person who goes to the livestock auction and buys up the tractor trailer load of horses and ships it out of the country for slaughter makes a little money, but has signifigant overhead in buying the horses and transport costs.

    That dynamic wasn't substantailly different when there were slaughter houses open in the US because there were only a handful of them and you still had to be able to ship a tractor trailer load a good distance before it made sense moneywise.

    Back in the 80s when I worked for a breeding farm we routinely gave away our culls as geldings or mares with a "no breeding" contract. When the slaughter houses were open it was also standard practice to price a broke, grade horse at $50 - $100 above killer sale prices.

    To suggest that people are deliberately over producing horses in order to *make money* by selling them for slaughter is ludicrous, and could only be suggested by someone at a far remove from the horse industry today.

    At any racing meet in the country, during the last week of the meet, you can be given all the free horses you're willing to haul away - if a cheap horse hasn't won during the meet, the owners/trainers would rather give it away than pay its expenses and transport someplace else, yet you're somehow suggesting that this is a money making opportunity so good that breeders deliberately overproduce horses?

    Sorry, it just doesn't make sense.
         
        04-06-2010, 06:15 PM
      #45
    Yearling
    I think I'm starting to see both sides of this horse slaughter issue. As savvy stated about hindus and cows being sacred to them, makes me realize that slaughtering horses isn't really all that bad of a thing. Maybe the fact that some places don't do it right can be a little disturbing but other than that, the slaughtering of horses can be a good thing, as stated in the above posts. What WOULD we do with all the carcasses of dead animals? How could we let animals go to waste when starving people in other countries would be more than happy to have them? Reguardless if horses are our pets and companions or not, if one is to be euthanized (for certain reasons) than why not slaughter them and feed the hungry? I'm not saying I would eat a horse, but meat is meat and it shouldn't go to waste, so long as it's ok to eat and hasn't been contaminated in any way.

    This, also doesn't necessarily mean that if one of my horses needed to be put down I would have it slaughtered, but if it really came down to it, than yea I would have to say I would do it. I wouldn't like it, nor would I even dare to watch or be there, but to think of others' who really are dieing of hunger, literally, than I would do it.
         
        04-07-2010, 09:11 AM
      #46
    Showing
    Welcome to the dark side, Pechos.

    It's not all bad. We have cookies.....
         
        04-07-2010, 09:16 AM
      #47
    Banned
    High fives to Pechos!

    Yum. Cookies.
         
        04-08-2010, 12:57 PM
      #48
    Weanling
    Slightly graphic
    stabbing a horse in the back while its still alive is not right
         
        04-08-2010, 01:24 PM
      #49
    Foal
    Wow, I see way too many myths these days.
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        04-08-2010, 01:32 PM
      #50
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by alli09    
    Wow, I see way too many myths these days.
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    I've seen another video where they stab them in the back too. It is no myth.
         

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