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    04-12-2010, 01:24 PM
  #71
Showing
People, why do you even entertain the idea that Alli has a wish to discuss the slaughter issue rationally and with maturity?

She doesn't; all she wants is to shriek her ideals and opinions, base her 'facts' on propaganda and inflammatory videos, and declare those of us who don't share her unrealistic views as meanie doodie heads who can't possibly love animals.

Meanwhile, all those 'wanted' horses are still being sold to slaughter and shipped out of the country.

Regardless of her actual chronological age I consider Alli a child, and I refuse to badger children.
     
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    04-12-2010, 03:17 PM
  #72
Foal
First time someones left me speechless in a long time. All I have to say about that is lol.
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    04-12-2010, 06:17 PM
  #73
Lis
Yearling
Rabbits.

A lot of people have rabbits as pets but a lot eat them yet no one is up in arms about the poor fluffy bunny wunnies are they? I have a beautiful Dutch buck, I'm not going to eat him because he is my pet but if my neighbour got a rabbit and ate it I wouldn't mind. I've never had rabbit myself although I understand it to be quite a sweet meat but if people want to eat them, fair enough. My grandparents bred and showed rabbits and guess what? They ate some of them, the ones that didn't make the grade or had temperment issues. They loved their rabbits but it was a good source of food.

My point is the issue is similar with horses, people want to eat them so why shouldn't they be eaten because some people believe they are pets? Fish again is widely eaten, even by a lot of vegetarians (never understood that myself, my sister does it) but a lot of people have fish as pets, have big fish like koi as pets and you could make a decent meal out of one of them but no one gets upset about fish being eaten because some people have them as pets. I was once asked to sign a petition against the killing dogs for food in Asia, I didn't because it asked for the comsumption to be stopped, it's a viable food source for them and if they want to eat it then good for them. I'm not going to eat my dog but then he's a pet for me whereas they see dogs as food.
     
    04-12-2010, 06:58 PM
  #74
Foal
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Originally Posted by alli09    
This business is full of greed and ignorance.
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Greed and ignorance is found everywhere.

I agree with Wild Spot when she stated that "slaughter" is a necessary evil. The fact of it is, there are too many horses in this country and not enough horse people. This is a problem humanity has created and it is up to humanity to find a humane solution. Today there are more horses that there where when we used them as transportation.

Lately hay has become hard to find in some areas. People have been trying to give their horses away in order to get them off the feed bill, so they can continue to feed themselves. In turn many have been turned loose on government lands to fend for themselves. I know this was a problem in the Kentucky Lake area a year ago.

With the fall in the economy is has become more expensive to maintain a horse. Hay prices went up dramatically when the price of fuel shot through the roof. As did commercial feeds when the demand for corn increased for Bio Fuels. I even noticed a price increase in dog food when the slaughter houses in the US shut their doors.

I'm growing tired of the bleeding hearts whining about shelters euthanizeing the pet population.(.ex..dogs and cats) If there are no homes for these poor animals, where are they going to go? Funding is minimal for these organizations and they simply cannot feed these animals for the rest of their lives. It's sad...yes...but it's true. As long as people continue not to spay an neuter their pets this will continue to be a problem. Duh...

The same goes for the horse population. Yes there are horses out there that end up on the auction block and find themselves in transit to a slaughter house. Some of them are perfectly usable animals, some are not. There has to be an outlet for the excess horse population. As long as people continue to say "Oh you have a stallion. Well I have a mare. Lets breed them and sell the colt." Or for whatever reason they are breeding. There will continue to be more horses than homes for these horses.

The excess population of horses also contributes to the neglect of these animals as well. All though not the cause I am aware. Some people are just stupid. When you think about it. Some people are faced with the fact that they can no longer feed the horse(s) they have. Can't give them away since the majority of horse owners are full up. They aren't looking at add another member to their herd due to either lack of space to house another, cost of upkeep on another, or simply the work another horse would provide.

Even the rescues are finding themselves up to their eye balls with homeless animals they are trying to place. They are even finding it hard to do that. So surrendering their horse is out of the question for some people looking to find a home for a horse they can no longer keep. Selling it in some areas is out of the question as well. If they couldn't give it away. So as feed money dwindles the poor horses are fed less and less. Eventually leading to starvation. Which is slow, and painful I'd imagine.

Sound, well bred, trained, usable horses meet their ends one way or another. Be it slaughter or death by neglect. While lame, poorly bred, untrained, horses are taking up the homes that these more useful animals probably should have. Because society today seems to love the sick and the weak. Some people would buy a lame horse from an auction while overlooking a sound animal in fear that this poor broken creature would be sent to slaughter even though the sound one is potentially facing the same fate. I personally don't understand it.

Bottom line is that the slaughter houses served their purpose, by alleviating the surplus of horses in our society. I would much rather see them uses for food in another country than wasted. Nourish a foreign community than rot underground.

Death is seems has no longer become accepted as a fact of life by many people today, and a shaken by the subject. Especially when it befalls an animal. Our opinions on slaughter seems to be based on how we perceive the word when we hear it. What comes to your mind first? My dictionary (your might have a different volume) defines Slaughter as (noun)--1. The killing of animals for food. --2. The killing of a large number of people; masacure (as a verb)-1. To butcher (animals) for food. ---2. To kill brutally in large numbers.

When I think of slaughter I think of the killing of animals for food. Whether one or in large numbers. Since man has been eating animals as long as we have walked this earth. I believe it will continue to be a practice. I also believe that the slaughter of horses is a practice that has its place in today's society, that needs to be regulated to ensure the animals are treated humanely in their final moments.

It truly is a necessary evil. This however is the balance of life. There is no good without evil.
     
    04-13-2010, 08:24 AM
  #75
Banned
Good post Silverfox.


Lis, very good point. Rabbits are the perfect example of both pet and food animal. And you are right, it is a tasty meat.
     
    04-13-2010, 03:59 PM
  #76
Trained
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Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    
So true!


Alli, do you have any idea how much it costs to cremate a horse? Do you have any idea of the logistical issues associated with the transporting and maneuvering of a carcass that weighs 1000lbs?

Please give us more realistic means to dispose of a 1000lb carcass that are cost affective and do not ruin the water table.
Not to mention the carbon footprint!!!

I think I will cremate a cow tonight but I'll stop just a hair shy of medium rare!
     
    04-13-2010, 05:27 PM
  #77
Foal
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
I think I will cremate a cow tonight but I'll stop just a hair shy of medium rare!
ROFL, I had the same plans. XD


Thanks AlwaysBehind. Lis does have a great point. Rabbits where actually domesticated by the Romans for food purposes. I raised rabbits for a few years. All of the culls not fit for breeding where sold for the frying pan. The ARBA has very strict regulations for registration. Only the best are accepted. The Association sends someone out to inspect the rabbit applying for registration to ensure it is to the Standard of Perfection. Making a registered rabbit very valuable. Sooo.. wish they would do this in the Kennel Clubs.

Also there is an old AKC Dog Breeds book I was given, it stated the Chow Chow was developed in China for food purposes as well.
     
    04-13-2010, 05:50 PM
  #78
Trained
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Originally Posted by SilverFox    
Also there is an old AKC Dog Breeds book I was given, it stated the Chow Chow was developed in China for food purposes as well.

Hence the name!
     
    04-13-2010, 06:18 PM
  #79
Weanling
Those last videos were from Canada - normally we have great legislations for our slaughtering horses - and out of many slaughter houses in Canada, only these 2 are 'questionable', and as a whole, are a poor representation of our standards, which are usually pretty high.

$0.02
     
    05-23-2010, 12:24 AM
  #80
Weanling
Hello im farley, im a mustang owner and lover, and have been around horses and the ranch life my whole life. I love how open you all are to this subject.
     

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