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    08-05-2008, 01:43 PM
  #1
Weanling
Horse Slaughter - Should Start Up Once More

I've seen more than my share of Animal and Equine (same thing... sorta) Cruelty in my years, even though I only have fifteen of them. I live in Serbia, a country where the words Animal Cruelty have no meaning. To anyone. If you have a dog that you don't want to hear barking anymore, you either remove or destroy the vocal cords. If you have a horse that you can't afford to feed. You keep it, but just don't feed it.

I have not grown cold to it. In fact, quite the opposite. I know what real animal cruelty is. And I have to say this: Slaughtering a horse for food, whether for a dog, or for a human, is NOT cruelty.

I'm not saying that conditions should stay how they are. But I'm also not saying that the animals need to be put in 16 x 16 stalls all on their own, with a ton of feed. I've known quite a few people who believe that if you're going to kill an animal, you need to make it's whole life as "happy" as possible. Sure, every horse needs to at least be cared for, but a horse can be perfectly content in a semi-large paddock with quite a few other horses, for probably no more than a few days.

You might say that the experience would be traumatic for them. That they can smell the death, the blood, the fear. If the animal is going to be killed, what would it matter? It's not cruelty.

Conditions aren't to be improved for the animal's sake, but for the safety of the slaughterers. I've also heard people say that those people need to die. Those people are usually poor legal immigrant hispanics who are so put down by their caucasian neighbors, that the only jobs they can find are the ones that everyone else looks down on. Many times those people lose fingers and even arms to various conditions.

The animal feels no pain when the bolt goes through the head. Rarely does it miss. And by rarely, I mean 1 out of every thousand horses that come through.

Which would you rather have? And answer honestly, just this question, not saying how I'm a cruel person who wants all the horses dead. I'm not asking for a debate. Just a quick and simple answer to this question. Which would you rather have? A ton of horses sitting in someone's backyard, rotting away while their still alive, or a quick and painless death for those horses who just can't go to some little girl in New York? You tell me.
     
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    08-05-2008, 02:28 PM
  #2
Weanling
I kinda agree with you, but some of the stuff I don't.

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You might say that the experience would be traumatic for them. That they can smell the death, the blood, the fear. If the animal is going to be killed, what would it matter? It's not cruelty.
Sorry, but I do not like this comment at all. If you are going to kill an animal, you should make it as comfortable as possible. The animal should not be traumtized. Sure it's going to die, but would you like it if you were going to be murdered right in front of your friend hanging upside down and dripping with blood? I know that's graphic, but seriously, put yourself in the horse's place. We are above animals in the food chain, but that does not mean that we shouldn't care about their feelings.

I do think that slaughter is cruel if the houses are going to shoot the horses in the heads with nail guns and skin them before they are dead. That is the definition of animal cruelty to me. Don't say this doesn't happen because you can see videos of it on the internet. I'll post the website at the end of this reply. More than one out of every thousand horses is not killed by the first bolt. If the horses were humanely euthinized, I would reconsider my opinion. If the U.S. Gov't really wanted to restart slaughter and have the nation approve, they would buy the drugs used to euthinize.

This is the website that I was talking about. DO NOT view if you are squemish (or however you spell that.) It made me cry.
http://www.sharkonline.org/?P=0000000528
     
    08-05-2008, 02:45 PM
  #3
Chat Moderator
FutureVetGirl,
I agree with most of what you said but it condition should be made safe for both the animal and the workers.
     
    08-05-2008, 03:01 PM
  #4
Weanling
That is exactly all I was trying to say Kentucky. Conditions need to be made safe. But then... why are we only trying to fix the conditions with ONE animal? Why don't we try to fix conditions that cattle are in, or perhaps chickens, goats, or pigs?

I see what it is that you're saying, but if a horse ends up being "rescued", unless they themselves were physically harmed by it, they will have no memory of it. It's fact.

And please know what the definition of "dead" is. I don't call dead the time when the carcass becomes fully stiff. Dead is when there is absolutely no consciousness, and the brain is unable to work at all anymore. And by that odd description of death, every single horse who was slung up and bled out was dead. What you see with all of those jerkings and stuff are NOT the horses still being conscious and aware of any pain. As soon as the bolt hits the brain, the horse is immidiately unconscious, and unable to feel any pain, and from that time on, it's, well, to put it plainly, dead. But it does take another five to ten minutes for the life functions to fully end. But that doesn't mean that the horse would ever revive and live.

And yes, I've seen the website a ton of times. It's on that that I've based all of my claims as a matter of fact. Not some site or person telling me how good horse meat tastes (it actually does taste kind of good, I live in Europe, it's a staple in some countries).

Also, did you know that sometimes the people taking those videos often wait until the ONE horse that things happen to, in order to video it? This isn't the norm. Sure seems like it, but it's not. Like I said, it's the one in one thousand case that is even slightly similar to this. And those things are quickly taken care of.
     
    08-05-2008, 03:04 PM
  #5
Weanling
That horse that they were bolting over and over again in the head was not dead the first time. You can't tell me that those were reflexes. I know a live horse when I see one. It doesn't matter if they wait for one horse. It's still cruel.

I agree that they should fix the conditions with all animals. I, myself, am a vegetarian and don't agree with animals being killed inhumanely.
     
    08-05-2008, 07:26 PM
  #6
Foal
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Originally Posted by FutureVetGirl
That is exactly all I was trying to say Kentucky. Conditions need to be made safe. But then... why are we only trying to fix the conditions with ONE animal? Why don't we try to fix conditions that cattle are in, or perhaps chickens, goats, or pigs?

I see what it is that you're saying, but if a horse ends up being "rescued", unless they themselves were physically harmed by it, they will have no memory of it. It's fact.
I agree with most of what you're saying too. I think if conditions are changed for horses, they should be changed for other animals, such as cattle.

I don't think a horse has to necissarily experience physical pain to have a memory of something though.
     
    08-05-2008, 08:50 PM
  #7
Weanling
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I don't think a horse has to necissarily experience physical pain to have a memory of something though.
I agree. If you yell and scream at a horse constantly, do you think they will remember it? It's not doing them any physical pain, but it is doing a lot of mental pain. A horse will definitely remember screaming. We have a horse at our barn that shrinks into a shell when you yell at him. I mean like, if he tries to bite and you yell "NO!" he will go into a shell where hardly anyone can reach him. It's a sad sight to see.
     
    08-05-2008, 10:09 PM
  #8
Green Broke
I have no problem with slaughter of any animal provided it is humane. That includes the trip to the slaughter house and the days before slaughter and the kill itself. Around here, it seems like the trip to and the days before are the worst from what I hear and read.

What's terrible where I live, is that there isn't even an abattoir here. So if a horse is destined for slaughter it's a minimum 4 hour trailer ride with a bunch of others that may have been in there for a lot longer and everyone is in a panic, some are in pain, some get injured on the way, etc. etc. Why not keep the animals sedated to help with the "before" time? Would that be a possible solution? I don't know.

As for those videos and all the media that gets bandied about - ya, this is NOT an everyday occurence. Any hunter can tell you that the odd shot goes bad. With the control in a chute or box, the odds go way down, but sure it would still happen. We can't focus on the narrow percentages there, but instead, IMO should focus on the generic treatment that happens to all animals that go to slaughter. There have been recent changes in North America about length of travel time, feed and water on the way (yes, some trips are THAT long for cattle and pigs especially), and traveling in the heat of the day.

Another solution might be to allow the kill to happen at the farm, properly supervised for care, safety and sanitation (for all concerned, including the end product) and then have proper refrigerated transport to the abattoir. These days, here anyway, if an animal dies on site, it is no longer accepted by the meatman even if we know for sure that the cause of death was trauma. Used to be farmers could do their own and it was fast because the farmers wanted no trouble!
     
    08-05-2008, 11:24 PM
  #9
Weanling
What I'm trying to get across is that it doesn't matter how seldom that the situation in the video happens, it shouldn't be happening at all! That horse was put through unecessary pain. I agree that all animals destined for slaughter should be treated with respect and kindness. No, I don't say that the killers should feed the pigs apples on a silver platter or drape the cows with the finest wool when they get cold. But they should treat them humanely. They are providing food for us(some of us anyways.) unwillingly. They should be fed appropriately, kept in nice conditions, and shipped in trailers that are appropriate for traveling long distances.

I don't agree that slaughter should be allowed, but if that's what is going to happen, then the animals should be treated nicely.

Call me a treehugger if you want to! :)
     
    08-06-2008, 06:16 AM
  #10
Weanling
What northernmama said is exactly what I was trying to put across. Pretty much literally exactly what she said.

My words don't exactly come across right. About the physical pain and stuff, what I meant is that if it's not done to THAT horse, it has no memory of it. If someone is yelling at a different horse, unless that horse is extremely sensitive, it won't remember anything about it, and won't be traumatized by it.
     

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