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        08-06-2008, 07:59 PM
      #11
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    Re: Horse Slaughter - Should Start Up Once More

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    Originally Posted by FutureVetGirl
    You might say that the experience would be traumatic for them. That they can smell the death, the blood, the fear. If the animal is going to be killed, what would it matter?
    If humane treatment doesn't matter when the horse is going to be slaughtered, why does it matter at any other time? What is the difference?
         
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        08-06-2008, 10:33 PM
      #12
    Weanling
    Agreed ponyboy!

    I just don't agree with the fact that this inhumane slaughter should be going on. Y'all can disagree with me and show me "facts" all you want. There are videos to prove the horror of this act. My opinion's not changing anytime soon.
         
        08-06-2008, 10:55 PM
      #13
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by amightytarzan5
    What I'm trying to get across is that it doesn't matter how seldom that the situation in the video happens, it shouldn't be happening at all!
    Well, that's extremely idealistic and unrealistic. There are a lot of things that shouldn't happen at all, but life (and death) is life. Children shouldn't be abused, animals shouldn't be hit by motorists, and doctors should ALWAYS diagnose correctly. Life just isn't like that. Sorry.
         
        08-06-2008, 11:59 PM
      #14
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by northernmama
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by amightytarzan5
    What I'm trying to get across is that it doesn't matter how seldom that the situation in the video happens, it shouldn't be happening at all!
    Well, that's extremely idealistic and unrealistic. There are a lot of things that shouldn't happen at all, but life (and death) is life. Children shouldn't be abused, animals shouldn't be hit by motorists, and doctors should ALWAYS diagnose correctly. Life just isn't like that. Sorry.
    Finally, a voice of reason!

    I don't think that anybody WANTS slaughter. I would like to live in a land of butterflies and daisies where everyone and everything dies in its sleep a painless death. But that is not reality. What I would really like to see is the transportation, holding and actual slaughtering of animals, ALL ANIMALS, be more humane. (This includes, cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys, geese, etc)

    I am sure that there are a few people out there in the world who don't use/eat animal products of any kind. But the majority of us do. (are those leather riding boots you are wearing?) And I think it's our responsibility to take care of the earth and the animals who live in it. And a part of doing that is by making their lives and deaths as humane as possible. Believe me, starving to death in some field is NOT humane. And all those chemicals used in the supposedly "humane euthenasia" are poision to the earth and the animals and people that are still here. Not to mention very expensive and also difficult to dispose of the bodies as they are unable to be used in ANY way and is unsafe to bury if you even have the land available.

    I think it's time to stop blaming people and start trying to find some real answers.
         
        08-07-2008, 04:54 PM
      #15
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Well, that's extremely idealistic and unrealistic. There are a lot of things that shouldn't happen at all, but life (and death) is life. Children shouldn't be abused, animals shouldn't be hit by motorists, and doctors should ALWAYS diagnose correctly. Life just isn't like that. Sorry.
    I know what goes on in the world. I'm not naive at all. I agree, none of it should happen. But, if something can be prevented, like this form of animal abuse, then it should. That's all I'm saying.

    I have agreed at least 3 times that the slaughtering process should be more humane. I don't agree with slaughter at all. Any kind. But that's just because I've seen what those poor animals go through and I refuse to be a part of it. I'm not blaming anyone, but I don't like how uneducated people are when it comes to killing animals humanely.

    BTW, my riding boots are pleather!
         
        08-14-2008, 12:55 PM
      #16
    Foal
    I'm going to bring up a point that I don't think I've seen anyone mention yet. In the US horses are NOT bred and raised for food. In fact we use many chemicals that are not approved for animals intended for food such as dewormers, medications, supplements and many other things. How do we know this meat is even safe? Not that I care because I'm strongly anti-slaughter and I always have been.

    Yes I believe that perhaps conditions for all animals should be reconsidered. And how do we really know that all the horses are dead right after they've been shot in the head?
         
        08-14-2008, 01:15 PM
      #17
    Weanling
    Amightytarzan- I completely agree with you

    Everyone is going to think that I am living in a land of rainbows and butterflies, but I'm not. I know what is going on in the world.
    And the majority of horses going to slaughter are in fact, not "backyard horses" or horses people don't care for. No, most of the horses that go to slaughter are race horses who don't make it at the track.. young horses that could be wonderful riding horses.
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    What types of horses are being slaughtered? Aren't these old, sick horses?

    According to 2001 field studies conducted by Temple Grandin et al., 70% of all horses at the slaughter plant were in good, fat, or obese condition; 72% were considered to be "sound" of limb; 84% were of average age; and 96% had no behavioral issues.[6] Slaughter plants do not want old, sick horses for obvious reasons.
    --http://www.fund4horses.org/info.php?id=608#types

    So, your theory that horses that are going to slaughter are old, diseased, and mistreated is sadly mistaken.

    I've seen pictures of horses in the loading corrals and walking up to the slaughter house, forced to walk in between two fences to their death, and I tell you, you can see the fear in their eyes.
    I would never touch a peice of horsemeat, let alone eat it.

    And yes, I do think that horses are not on the same level as cows and chickens.
    Horses are not raised for slaughter, and they are people's pets, and they have intelligence.

    I do believe cows should be treated more humanely in the transort to slaughter, but I am not against their slaughter.. but I am against the slaughter of horses. It is so unnecessary.

    Anyway, that is my view.. everyone is entitled to their own opinion
         
        08-14-2008, 01:25 PM
      #18
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Quote from a slaughterhouse worker:

    "You move so fast, you don't have time to wait till a horse bleeds out. You skin him as he bleeds. Sometimes a horse's nose is down in the blood, blowing bubbles, and he suffocates."
    --http://www.fund4horses.org/info.php?id=608#types

    That sounds pretty inhumane to me.
    It is disgusting and I can not believe people support that.
         
        08-14-2008, 02:30 PM
      #19
    Weanling
    Quote:
    and yes, I do think that horses are not on the same level as cows and chickens.
    Horses are not raised for slaughter, and they are people's pets, and they have intelligence.
    If you're just talking about in the States, I would somewhat agree with you. But a TON of horses over in Europe, Asia, and other places DO raise horses JUST for meat.

    And have you ever truly been around cows and chickens that are PETS? Just like a horse that's raised only for slaughter can be as dumb as a cow, a cow that's a pet can be as smart (or smarter) than most horses. You just can't ride a cow... so that's why a lot of people begin saying that horses are "higher" in value and status.

    All I was saying from the original post is that sometimes it's needed. At least until the horse population can go down enough (while people are told (and enforced) to stop breeding their low-quality mares and stallions), it might be needed. The conditions need to be improved though.
         
        08-14-2008, 08:06 PM
      #20
    Weanling
    Finally, someone agrees with me!

    Intelligence does not define the worth of the animal. I do think that horses are "higher" than cows and chickens because you can ride them and get work out of them. You don't see as many horses and mules plowing fields like you used to, but they did. You never see cows plowing fields or even working for any purpose besides meat and milk.

    I'm not saying that cows deserve to die or anything. If it was my opinion, no animals would die. It's not the horses' faults that they are being overbred. They shouldn't be punished for it. And, yes, I consider a horrid death to be a punishment.
         

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