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    02-16-2013, 01:20 PM
  #231
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The investigators need to be going back to check in PA to see if there are some horses left behind. It appears her mother was not with her in WV, so likely some of the horses may have been left behind. I wonder just how many she did have, because 36 have been accounted for. There is some discrepency as to whether she shot the six,or whether law enforcement did it. The prosecutor said six had to be shot. He didn't say who did the shooting. Yet, one news report said Tory admitted to shooting them. The truth sometimes gets muddled by the media.
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    02-16-2013, 10:02 PM
  #232
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Originally Posted by Celeste    
You say in your profile that Tory gave you Lucky. I will say that his name is appropriate. Can you even begin to fathom why she did not give away some of her other horses when her luck turned down?

She could have free leased them to people that wanted to get a foal. She could have not bred.

I still suspect that she has stashed some of the horses, including Moneymaker, away somewhere. I have had the unfortunate privilege of checking behind animal hoarders that were being investigated by the state, and they tend to have animals that come up missing. One bird hoarder that I know moved hundreds of birds across the state line to Florida to avoid having them taken away.
I still have no idea why we got horses when no one else did. On the day that we picked up the 3 horses, a friend of ours went with us with the hopes of getting a thin horse, but Tory and her mother turned her down, saying that they were breeders and they sold horses, they didn't give them away!!

As to her stashing horses, we don't think that is possible. We live only two miles from where they were in PA and watched as she moved them to WV. There was a group of people keeping watch on them.

BTW - We got a Bill of Sale this week from Tory's mother on Sonora and her foal! Yippee!! We don't have to worry if they were going to try to get them back.
     
    02-17-2013, 01:06 AM
  #233
Foal
Well, we know none were left behind then. I am thrilled you got the paperwork on the horses you have. I can just hear the snotty voices in my head saying they sold horses not gave them away. Ugh! They should have said they starved horses to death, not gave them away. That would have been more accurate. It is one thing when someone is in trouble for need of feed and can't give horses away. That has happened around here a lot with the drought. People begging someone to take their horses, and no one who could take them. But to have the opportunity right there to at least give one a home, and rejecting it, when she obviously didn't have the means to care for it....
She easily could have said here on this site, or on ABN, that she was in dire straights, could someone please take some off of her, and I think there would have been volunteers.
And yet, I do know a person who had horses growing thin, and asked for help, and placed a mare for a low price, then was maligned by that person (who in fact didn't ever pay for the horse, which would have allowed this person to buy feed for the others), all over the internet for the fact the mare was thin. That kind of activity stops other people from asking for help, for fear of the judgement. Because most people don't realize they are in trouble until the horses start getting thin. When money stops coming in, and no feed can be bought, horses can strip pounds off very quickly. This lady ended up taking several well bred horses to the auction, for lack of a solution. But she didn't have any die. She did the best she could, and withstood the comments at the auction for the good of her horses. I, myself gave two older mares away to good homes when I found out I had cancer, but getting the cancer gave me fair warning I would soon run into trouble if I didn't. I was able to sell everything else, down to a number I knew we could continue to take care of and keep in health. A sudden loss of a job, and believing a person will be able to get another job, can put a person in a bad situation quickly. Not the same as having 40 some horses and your only income being disability. I can only conclude Tory was purely a hoarder.
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    02-17-2013, 03:31 AM
  #234
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Angry

Hi I have
a very healthy happy & fat MMM son who is a beautiful Splash registered Half arabian Sabino THANKfully I was Lucky & got him before she apparently lost her mind completely. I also lived with her for a few months & could answer a lot of questions for a lot of people & I am the friend Mayada has mentioned. My computer has been down or I would have posted sooner.She also was not just a horse hoarder but animals in general she had 8 sugar Gliders which are illegal in the state of PA * dogs in crates in the house a bunny & a turtle & 23 cats so a question would be what happened to them??? IS her mother & son still in PA WITh these animals??? Yes I did report them Several times after I LEFT because her son started hitting me it was a very crazy situation to say the least.I also would like to add that JMO BUT I THINK her mother & SON should both also be held accoutable because they knew & saw what was going on.I also know about her so called disability I personally never believed she had Fibro-Myalgia but at this point I think we all know she's a liar she also is a thief & I know for a fact she paid $6Grand for SONORA & $5 grand for MMM so what happened to her friend Joe Q. Who sold her MMM & gave her several other horses including magic dancer & SEVERAL OTHER mares??I also know she was leasing horses from more than one person. I Myself am trly disabled & it always bugged me she was on disability when I would see her go to the farm which was over 20 miles from her house & use a Commercial D.R.Mower & clean Stalls that hadnt been cleaned in over a month & move round bales of hay & 100 pound bags of oats yes I will answer questions & could & would identify some of the horses but none of the younger ones I was only there for a few months, several years ago. I was on her website about 2 weeks ago & now it is down.I do have a picture of 1 of her leased stallions & one of her Mares. This whole situation majes me beyond sick there are no words & after I did move I turned her in to the point she had a cease and desist order on me.SO I To blame the PA So called humane society & I also talked to the police.THERe is so much I could say so much more but am rather numb & shocked after finally being able to see all the posts. Joey
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    02-17-2013, 08:53 AM
  #235
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Somebody needs to check on the mother and son and see what all they are hoarding. I had some neighbors that were hoarders. Their house was full of dog feces. The humans died of respiratory issues that were started from chronically breathing ammonia. Some old woman with tons of cats in the house may be in the same situation.
     
    02-17-2013, 12:11 PM
  #236
Foal
Hi SHM, I am so glad you could come and speak up. I had forgotten about you mentioning all the other animals. I was thinking about the fact that her mom should have been held accountable too. It sounds like she was just as bad, and a huge enabler for her daughter. If the authorities check her mothers home, they may find a bunch of dead smaller animals. Doesn't it just make you want to call the people up in PA and say, "I told you so?" I am also processing the fact that Tory did all this work, and yet drew a govt check. I disagree that a person with a true disability can't ride a little. It is physical therapy for some. But lift a hundred lbs? Sheesh, my body couldn't do that when I was still working full time. I have had fibromyalgia for years, and worked full time until the last few years. I am disabled now, with the bone cancer added to my problems, but I still don't draw a govt check. I am determined to earn my own living again if I have to do it via a computer in my bed. I make a little with my artwork, but if I didn't have a wonderful husband doing the majority of supporting our family, I suppose I would have to get disability, at this point. But I would not have a big herd of horses. Or even the little group I have now. Was she also getting food stamps and other govt aid? Let me guess, were the horses registered under Shatormar, so she could pretend she didn't own anything? Maybe she should also have been turned in for fraud. I get really angry about deadbeats who are really able bodied but suck their living out of the tax dollars of working people. I saw a lot of people come thru the store I managed full time, who were healthier than I was, but they were drawing disability and food stamps. Many I knew were working under the table. My husbands nephew is an example. He was drawing disability for a "bad back," yet was working roofing houses and cutting logs. I turned him in for ss fraud, but I don't know if anything was ever done. Meanwhile, my 71 yr old husband still works full time and pays taxes. It makes me frothing at the mouth angry.
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    02-17-2013, 07:48 PM
  #237
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We just returned from a birthday party for our 4 year-old granddaughter. There, we met a young woman whose grandparents own the farm where Tory's horses lived in PA. She said that she begged Tory for a horse for years, but was told that the horses were for sale only. She ended up buying a horse from an Amish man and, IMO, got ripped off. But that's another story! She called the Humane Society numerous times about the condition of Tory's horses. She was so excited to hear that we had saved three of them! She was also excited that we invited her to our farm to visit Sonora, who she had watched for several years, and the others!!
     
    02-23-2013, 07:53 PM
  #238
Trained
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Originally Posted by Spring Harvest Moon    
Hi I have
a very healthy happy & fat MMM son who is a beautiful Splash registered Half arabian Sabino THANKfully I was Lucky & got him before she apparently lost her mind completely. I also lived with her for a few months & could answer a lot of questions for a lot of people & I am the friend Mayada has mentioned. My computer has been down or I would have posted sooner.She also was not just a horse hoarder but animals in general she had 8 sugar Gliders which are illegal in the state of PA * dogs in crates in the house a bunny & a turtle & 23 cats so a question would be what happened to them??? IS her mother & son still in PA WITh these animals??? Yes I did report them Several times after I LEFT because her son started hitting me it was a very crazy situation to say the least.I also would like to add that JMO BUT I THINK her mother & SON should both also be held accoutable because they knew & saw what was going on.I also know about her so called disability I personally never believed she had Fibro-Myalgia but at this point I think we all know she's a liar she also is a thief & I know for a fact she paid $6Grand for SONORA & $5 grand for MMM so what happened to her friend Joe Q. Who sold her MMM & gave her several other horses including magic dancer & SEVERAL OTHER mares??I also know she was leasing horses from more than one person. I Myself am trly disabled & it always bugged me she was on disability when I would see her go to the farm which was over 20 miles from her house & use a Commercial D.R.Mower & clean Stalls that hadnt been cleaned in over a month & move round bales of hay & 100 pound bags of oats yes I will answer questions & could & would identify some of the horses but none of the younger ones I was only there for a few months, several years ago. I was on her website about 2 weeks ago & now it is down.I do have a picture of 1 of her leased stallions & one of her Mares. This whole situation majes me beyond sick there are no words & after I did move I turned her in to the point she had a cease and desist order on me.SO I To blame the PA So called humane society & I also talked to the police.THERe is so much I could say so much more but am rather numb & shocked after finally being able to see all the posts. Joey
Hi Joey,

So glad to hear from someone who has gotten a foal from this program! I had thought people would be coming out and speaking up, but it appears either everyone is keeping quiet or she didn't sell as hardly at all, which begs the questions of what happened to the 15-20 foals she was producing her year.
What a horrible shame, that the PA authorities stood by and did nothing. :(
I would love to see pictures of your guy if it's possible. :)

If you hear of any other's as well... We're just trying to figure out which ones are still alive so we can scratch their identities off the possible list of survivors that's being handed over to the WV sheriffs.
     
    02-23-2013, 07:54 PM
  #239
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by pm16159    
We just returned from a birthday party for our 4 year-old granddaughter. There, we met a young woman whose grandparents own the farm where Tory's horses lived in PA. She said that she begged Tory for a horse for years, but was told that the horses were for sale only. She ended up buying a horse from an Amish man and, IMO, got ripped off. But that's another story! She called the Humane Society numerous times about the condition of Tory's horses. She was so excited to hear that we had saved three of them! She was also excited that we invited her to our farm to visit Sonora, who she had watched for several years, and the others!!
So there shouldn't be any left in PA, but they do have 11 or 12 acres of property owned in NY... Makes me wonder if perhaps some are there...
     
    02-23-2013, 08:57 PM
  #240
Trained
So far, this is a list of the horses that she’s advertised on her site or elsewhere…

STM September Rain - stallion, unknown
STM Mocha - stallion, unknown
Moonlight Money Maker - stallion, unknown
Dashantic - stallion, unknown
Bourbon Caballero - stallion, unknown
Dunrovin Chase - gelded 2012, unknown
Ozymandias - possible survivor
Chocolate Snowflake - unknown
MMM Paid the Piper - possible survivor
STM Eureka - possible survivor
Amyr Tiffany - unknown
BEMA Pearl - unknown
Moonlight Prophecy - possible survivor
STM Celestial Snow - possible survivor
Triple Libra - possible survivor
BA Spanish Folly – client owned, unknown
BA Crimson Glory – client owned, unknown
BA Scarlett Kiss – client owned, unknown
Bourbons Flaminco –client owned, unknown
Bourbons Caprice – client owned, unknown
Magics Summer Breeze - possible survivor
Backstreet Voodoo - possible survivor
Bayling - possible survivor
Spotted Sunshine - unknown
DA Bask Belle - unknown
Street Sparkles - unknown
LA Love Streak - unknown
STM Dante - 2009 foal, unknown
STM Chasin the Moon - possible survivor
Dreamscapes Darlinda - client owned, unknown
Dunrovin Freya - Haflinger mare, possible survivor
STM Marissa - 2009 foal, unknown
STM Pipers Indy - 2009 foal, unknown
STM Blue Valkyrie - 2010 foal, unknown
STM Tiempo - 2010 foal, unknown
STM Ruby Blue - 2010 foal, unknown
STM Blue Velvet - 2010 foal, unknown
Bay sabino filly - 2010 foal, unknown
STM Tristan - 2011 foal, unknown
STM Avery - 2011 foal, unknown
STM Peleh - 2011 foal, unknown
STM Blue Sirocco - 2012 foal, unknown
STM Tallyana - possible survivor
STM Silver Flash - 2012 foal, unknown
STM Harper - 2012 foal, unknown
STM Dash O'Spice - 2012 foal, unknown
STM Indigo Blue - 2012 foal, unknown
STM Bayley - unknown
STM Independence – Unknown
STM Sable Star - Unknown

It's entirely possible that some were missed.

According to DS, Shatormar Arabians is shown as the breeder on only 6 foals and the Money Maker stallion only the sire of 10 foals.
So obviously most of these horses were never registered.
For those that didn't want to count, that's 53 horses. Only 20 survived.
But only 16 were found dead... So that leaves 17 horses...Where?
     

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