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    11-03-2009, 07:48 PM
There is no point in saying we, because it's just you and maybe 2 other people.
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    11-03-2009, 07:50 PM
No, I do understand what you are saying. I just disagree and don't think that pro-slaughter = pro-abuse.
    11-03-2009, 07:53 PM
I don't understand how that can be though.
    11-03-2009, 08:10 PM
Im honestly not sure how to explain it to you in a way that hasnt been done on this thread already. Most pro-slaughter people are also pro-slaughter regulation. We fight to try and make sure that animals are killed in the most humane way possible while still being okay to consume and we work to prosecute those who do not follow regulations. That doesn't go just for horses but for swine, cattle, birds, etc.
If it were up to me, it would all be done local. But since that is never going to be the case, we have to work with what we have.

Since the slaughter plants in the USA have closed, exports to Mexico have increased 312% an amount of around 44,000 horses. Once horses leave our borders there is nothing we can do and that is why I want slaughter plants open here.

What if we banned exporting the horses, consumption of horses, everything all together?:

"The AAEP estimates an additional 2,700 rescue facilities would be needed in the first year of the ban to care for the thousands of surplus horses. The costs of euthanasia and environmentally safe carcass disposal can run as much as $400 and may be more than some owners are willing to pay. Making matters worse is a hay shortage, brought on by droughts, which is making it more expensive to feed horses." (AVMA.com)

Not only that, but until the world becomes vegan, there is always going to be horse slaughter. Here at least there are regulations and ways to prosecute those who are not up to standard. The same can not be said for local butchers and backyard slaughterhouses in Mexico and the rest of the world. Once we end slaughter (hypothetically) in America, I imagine you would want to move to Mexico, Canada, France, Belgium? What happens to the thousands of horses that go to slaughter every year? Obviously they do not have a good home waiting for the majority of them. Where do they go?

Right now, ending slaughter and the consumption of horses is not a feasible option if you agree with eating horses or not. Until we come up with a solution, our best weapon is to make sure the horses die as humanely as possible. The first step to doing that is keeping our horses in our control instead of exporting them for another place to deal with.
    11-03-2009, 08:25 PM
See this is why slaughter horses need to be re opened and controlled. Would I love to see no need for a single horse to ever be slaughtered??? Yes I would love it if there was no need. If people breeding crap would stop. If the people who where breeding horses who where unmarketable would keep them until they where marketable but they do not. They pawn them off on people who either do not know any better or are trying to help but there are just too many end up like this.

Or maybe this abandoned horse.
Here is part of the story.

A starving horse was abandoned over the weekend in Kansas City.

Halfway Home Pet Adoptions said the horse was put into a dog pen on Sunday. A spokesperson said they are seeking monetary donations to help with food and the horse's medical bills.

The adoption facility is hoping someone will recognize the horse so they can locate the owner or whomever dropped it off.

Here is a link that is a bit old. 2008 however this is what is going on all over the country. People can not afford to care for their horses for what ever reason.
Starving Horses Found At Carnation Farm - Seattle News Story - KIRO Seattle

My question to you is which is better. Which horses where abused and neglected worse?? Which horses are in more pain and suffering?? The ones in these picture and videos or the ones who go to slaughter???

I know I would never want one of my horses to be slaughtered. This is why I tell ANYONE how has a horse that I bred and can not longer care for it I will take it back. However if it came down between being slaughtered or starving like these horses I would much rather see them slaughtered humanly.
    11-03-2009, 08:30 PM
Also it has been said several times here. Heck I know b/c I have pointed it out and so have others.

Livestock who are being slaughtered for human consumption must be slaughtered is such a way that it causes as little to no pain as possible. If an animal is in pain when they die the meat is un edibale.

Cattle when they fall and brake a lag are not eaten they are burned or barried. Why?? B/C of the hormones reliesed. It taints the meat and makes un fit to eat. It takes about 3 days to get the animal back to where It would be fit to eat and that is imposible so they are put down and disposed of. Really a wast but that is how it is.
    11-03-2009, 10:57 PM
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Good grief, it amazes me how some people manage to stay as inside their own bubble as they can.

Not a single person on here has ever said they are FOR slaughter the way it is. We all want it changed - we just don't want it banned. Abuse will ALWAYS happen - you ride horses for gods sakes, and I guarantee either you personally or someone you've met has done something that could be contrived as "abuse".

Horses are wild creatures - owning them is abuse. Locking them in stalls is abuse. Putting bits in their mouths is abuse. See how easy I can take an arguement and twist it however I feel like? You then, are guilty of abuse. You are guilty of using "God's creatures" in a way they were not intended.

Don't start twisting words and putting them in peoples mouths. Ultimately, we all are out for the most humane treatment. We simply have different views on how that should happen. You, for whatever reason, think that slaughter will end all abuse of horses. You don't bother thinking past the present and what the future may hold. You listen to organizations telling you that nobody will ever let a horse starve and that everyone is a responible horse owner. You want to be narrow minded, fine, but don't accuse us of being "pro-abuse" because we see a bigger picture and we believe there are different methods to achieve the same result.
    11-03-2009, 11:05 PM
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I guess Allie needs to go back to the pro PETA thread. She, obviously thinks they take the moral high ground when they burn mink farms burning all the animals to death. A much better death than quick kill for fur (BTW, I am anti-fur)? I think not. I am not for any needless suffering. Keeping a sick, injured, neglected horse alive is abuse, IMHO
    11-03-2009, 11:11 PM
But as long as it exists the abuse is going to go on.There is never going to be a change in how the animals are treated.People become hostile in those places and they take it out on the animal.If a animal's leg spams and hits them they are going to beat that animal.They are going to tear limbs off of that animal. Most people that work in those slaughterhouses DO NOT CARE.

And for those pictures that were posted of the skinny horses, I wonder everyday why that hurts me just as much as it hurts any pro-slaughter person and yet I'm against the slaughter of horses 100%. Maybe because those horses don't even get a chance.Just because one person neglected them does not mean NO ONE wants them. There are a lot of people in this world that would have taken in the horses that were slaughtered, but sadly enough most of the countries population has no idea that horses are even being slaughtered for peoples tastes buds.It's all for profit.
    11-03-2009, 11:40 PM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by alli09    
There is never going to be a change in how the animals are treated.
That has to be the most ignorant statement I've ever had the misfortune of having to read. I don't even know where to BEGIN with everything that's wrong with it. YOU'RE the one lobbying for chance, and yet when you don't agree with a change, it's never going to happen?

Women were never going to be allowed to vote you know. Change comes from having a voice, which WE ALL HAVE. Our voice is just different then yours. If lobbying can get slaughter banned, it SURE as heck can get more humane treatment into effect.

I don't even have TIME to list every single thing in history that was never going to change with the welfare of animals alone. We have made incrediable progress over the years over the treatment of animals and yet you actually have the nerve to say THIS could never happen?


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