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        11-04-2009, 12:53 PM
      #141
    Foal
    Find me where I said I don't care what you guys are all saying...The only reason I would say that is because I have read everything you all are saying millions of times and yet I am still against the slaughter of horses. Very strange.

    And I wasn't saying everyone was being disrespectful, just a select few.
         
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        11-04-2009, 12:56 PM
      #142
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
    No dear, what you have is propaganda.

    If you can't prove something with actual, logical, reliable, verifiable data, then it's merely hearsay and propaganda.

    It used to be a 'fact' that the earth was flat, and the sun revolved around it. Once astronomers debunked that, it was no longer a 'fact'. It never was true in any case; it was just what people believed.

    A fact can only be proved by reliable, verifiable data. Just because you believe something is true, doesn't make it so.

    That's why we have theories of things. The theory of evolution, the Big Bang theory, the Parallel Universe theory. They've not been able to be verified, so can only stand as theories, and not actual facts.
    ok then here are a couple books for you to read of interviewers that atcually interviewed the workers and saw first hand what was going on.

    The Texas massacres - horse slaughter in America by Laura A. Moretti

    Slaughterhouse by Gail A. Eisnitz

    What is said in those books are facts about what what really goes on in most slaughter houses in the US.
         
        11-04-2009, 01:00 PM
      #143
    Banned
    Wouldn't it make more sense to be against inhumane treatment at slaughter plants of ALL animals?

    Why ban slaughter? Why make it even more difficult for the horses in the long run? Do you not realize that now they have longer trailer rides to slaughter houses outside the control of our regulations where they are treated even worse than they are treated here?

    Doesn't it make more sense to make the slaughter houses here better?


    Unless you know a feasible (not butterfly and rainbow) way to deal with large quantities of unwanted horses really what else is practical?
         
        11-04-2009, 01:02 PM
      #144
    Foal
    You all keep saying that these horses are unwanted...Yeah, they are unwanted by the people that left them to starve.They are unwanted by the people in that same state.You don't know that they are unwanted by EVERYONE. Now that is something I love to see proven.

    And I guess I'm this way because as long as I've been alive I have heard way more stories of animals(not just horses) being treated inhumanely in slaughterhouses to where I don't care about anything else.I just want it all to stop.
         
        11-04-2009, 01:05 PM
      #145
    Showing
    Both of those books are biased and slanted to make slaughter look cruel and inhumane. They're also outdated, if I recall.

    I can point you to any number of books about any topic that will depict it in either a horrendous or a good light, depending on what agenda the author has.

    I'm not talking about books. I'm talking about research papers and printed findings from universities and unbiased sources. People and institutions who have no dog in the fight, and so can collect data and report their findings with no slant either for or against.

    Read Temple Grandin's work. She's always been a big anti-slaughter advocate, but even she would rather see equine slaughter here in the U.S. Where it can be regulated.

    I have a lot of respect for Dr. Grandin, even though she's anti. Her arguments are clear, concise, and to the point. Unlike yours, which just boil down to, "It's mean and cruel to eat horsies!"

    Yes, there are unwanted horses. There are a glut of unwanted horses these days. Many horses are going for absolutely nothing right now, and yet there are no takers. Why is that? Because NOBODY WANTS THEM!!!

    In fact, I picked up my new foxhunting prospect last week for nothing, nada, zero, zilch. He's not a rescue, because his owner loved him and just needed to find him a good home. He's one of the lucky ones, because most horses who are giveaways will be sent to auction.
         
        11-04-2009, 01:06 PM
      #146
    Weanling
    If there are horses being given away for free, left in fields, given to rescues, and left in trailers and NO one is taking them... Than they are unwanted. If people wanted them they would have homes.
         
        11-04-2009, 01:06 PM
      #147
    Banned
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    Originally Posted by alli09    
    we all keep saying that these horses are unwanted...Yeah, they are unwanted by the people that left them to starve.They are unwanted by the people in that same state.You don't know that they are unwanted by EVERYONE. Now that is something I love to see proven.
    You want to SEE proven? Open your freaking eyes. Look at any rescue. Look at the giveaways. There are TONS of unwanted horses.

    It is funny that people always come back with the same asinine response, 'they are not really unwanted'.

    I went to a TB auction the other day where a huge quantity of the horses got not one bid. Some the owners tried to give away. Young, sound healthy horses. No takers.

    There ARE more horses than there are homes. Period.
         
        11-04-2009, 01:07 PM
      #148
    Foal
    Of course they are against the slaughter of the animals.Why? Because of the way the animals are being treated. People in those plants have complained about the animals being treated inhumanely and since the USDA is in charge nothing is being done about it.
         
        11-04-2009, 01:09 PM
      #149
    Foal
    Like I said, those horses are unwanted by people that are around that animal.

    And horses are not being given away for free and that's the problem.I bet if people would stop trying to SELL the horses they don't want anymore and just give them to a better home this problem of 'unwanted' horses would disappear.

    I know I'm not really getting anywhere with what I'm saying because I'm arguing with a bunch of people that are for the slaughter of horses, but I love to vent about everything.
         
        11-04-2009, 01:10 PM
      #150
    Banned
    Um... call me confused.

    If the people that work there find the treatment of the animals to be inhumane then why do the people that work there not treat the animals differently?

    Sounds pretty simple to me.


    And back to the thing that was said earlier...there are bad eggs in EVERY job there is. Do not judge the whole by them.


    You are not getting anywhere Alli, because you are not reading. Did you read my post where these young sound horses could not be given away..... for free.... to a crowd of people that were at the sale for the purpose of looking for a horse.

    Why do you not want to believe there are truly unwanted horses in the US? Does that ruin your butterfly and rainbow theories?

    And not FOR it as much as not against it. Again, read for content.
         

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