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    05-04-2011, 04:54 PM
  #11
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Originally Posted by equiniphile    
I don't get it; are they trying to give them a "fresh start" by shredding the papers? A lot of good money and time went into perfecting the breed for that, IMO.
The theory is that with out papers people will be unlikely to breed them.
It is not an uncommon practice with shelters when dealing with dogs (if they are the type of shelter who does not neuter/spay prior to adopting dogs out).


In this case I think they are truly limited the places the horses will end up by shredding their papers.
     
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    05-04-2011, 04:59 PM
  #12
Showing
No equiniphile, it's so that nobody takes the mares and then breeds them.

The AHA is all about DNA typing and keeping the Arabian breed pure, and if you have an unpapered animal the resulting foal can't be registered as a purebred.

If all the horses are registered the AHA should have their DNA on file, but it'll take a lot of time and money getting hardship replacement papers, and that's only if the adoptee knows the horse's actual, registered name.

Besides, I'd think since these horses will be considered rescues and adopted out, the people who get them won't ever actually own them. Even if DEFHR turns over ownership to them at some point, I'm sure it'll be with a stipulation that the animal can't be bred or it's forfeited back to the rescue.

I think many of these animals would make fine show horses, but without their papers they're unable to be shown at Arabian breed shows.
     
    05-04-2011, 05:01 PM
  #13
Foal
They are shredding their papers for reason. They do not want the mares to be bred number one. Number two they are now considered rescue horses. Typically when you adopt a horse from a rescue situation they do not give you the papers because they want you to keep the horse for the rest of its life.
     
    05-04-2011, 05:07 PM
  #14
Yearling
If these are indeed some of the best of the best and great lines, I think its very short sighted of the rescues to shred the papers of the very best picks.

If they rehabbed the absolute best and sold them to top of the line show or even breeding homes, they could help fund gelding the extra not so great stallions and colts and get feed, hay, vaccinations, floats etc etc.

It isnt a crime to save the best of the best or breed the best of the best in responsible hands. I think they would be better served and the horses would be better served in the long run going about it this way. How short sighted IMO :(
     
    05-04-2011, 05:09 PM
  #15
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Originally Posted by horselvr    
Typically when you adopt a horse from a rescue situation they do not give you the papers because they want you to keep the horse for the rest of its life.

If you sell me a horse, and that's what I consider an adoption 'fee' to be, a sale price, then you don't get to tell me what I can or can't do with the animal after you've taken money for it. Which is why I'd never willingly 'adopt' an animal that had such strings attached.

Rescues are all about shooting themselves in the foot when they put ridiculous stipulations on the people who are actually willing to take on horses from them.

Many rescue people are control freaks who are only one or two steps away from being hoarders themselves. No thanks. I may donate money to foster an animal, but there's no way I'd ever pay for the privilege of having some nosy numbnuts hovering over my shoulder the rest of an animal's life.
     
    05-04-2011, 05:37 PM
  #16
Showing
Ahh, I get it.
     
    05-04-2011, 07:01 PM
  #17
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Originally Posted by Trinity3205    
If these are indeed some of the best of the best and great lines, I think its very short sighted of the rescues to shred the papers of the very best picks.

If they rehabbed the absolute best and sold them to top of the line show or even breeding homes, they could help fund gelding the extra not so great stallions and colts and get feed, hay, vaccinations, floats etc etc.

It isnt a crime to save the best of the best or breed the best of the best in responsible hands. I think they would be better served and the horses would be better served in the long run going about it this way. How short sighted IMO :(
They do not want anymore horses to end up at the kill pen or at the auction or even worse in another situation like this. Even top of the line horses end up at the kill pen. I have been there I have seen it. Finding responsible hands is harder than it sounds. The farm that all of these horses were rescued from at one time was the place to go to for the top of the line Arab's now look where the horses are, they are all at rescues that are overloaded with other situations very similar. I don't find it short sighted at all. Infact I feel it is quite the opposite they are looking down the road in 15 years when these horses are no longer good riding horses and they are only good for pasture mates, then who is going to home them?

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Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
If you sell me a horse, and that's what I consider an adoption 'fee' to be, a sale price, then you don't get to tell me what I can or can't do with the animal after you've taken money for it. Which is why I'd never willingly 'adopt' an animal that had such strings attached.

Rescues are all about shooting themselves in the foot when they put ridiculous stipulations on the people who are actually willing to take on horses from them.

Many rescue people are control freaks who are only one or two steps away from being hoarders themselves. No thanks. I may donate money to foster an animal, but there's no way I'd ever pay for the privilege of having some nosy numbnuts hovering over my shoulder the rest of an animal's life.
I understand the limitations often are frustrating but again the rescue is looking for the best intrest of the horse, what happens if you want to sell that horse to someone who is a dealer? Then that dealer turns around and takes it to the kill pen? The number of horses in kill pens and being exported to Canada and Mexico for meat.

Don't get me wrong I am not against putting horses down when they need to be put down but the number of horses that go through the kill pen that have papers and have an amazing pedigree is disgusting.
     
    05-04-2011, 07:51 PM
  #18
Yearling
Oh I get the reasoning for it Horselvr. I just think its short sighted when more people with means might be interested if they were showble at breed shows or could be bred if they had rare or desirable bloodlines and had nothing wrong with them. Its a chance to live a great life. Look at all the GOOD homes out there too not just the bad ones.

Breeding isnt a sin. If we don't breed the best of the best we will have NO horses of quality around. Its just common sense and they are shooting themselves in the foot here. Just becasue this person screwed up doesnt mean someone else will. That is a buttload of grade arabian (possibly many high strung and not beginner horses) horses to rehome. Its limiting the best horses out of these to pleasure homes only which are in short supply and making the worst of them the least desirable and the least likely to get a good home. Short sighted.
     
    05-04-2011, 08:11 PM
  #19
Green Broke
I agree, with papers they are more "wanted".
     
    05-04-2011, 09:26 PM
  #20
Weanling
Also , surely with papers they are worth more (correct me if im wrong here) , and the money they could get for selling those horses with amazing pedigrees with their papers could in turn be used to help more horses in need? Indeed the money that could be brought in by selling those few horses with great papers could in turn help the grade horses that haven't got a hope otherwise.

Surely it is better to keep the papered horses papered for their own well being , rather than reducing them to grade status with all the other worthless grades around?
     

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