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post #21 of 33 Old 05-04-2011, 10:41 PM
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I think shredding the papers is asinine. These aren't garbage animals, and all they're doing is risking an even bigger chance of at least a percentage of these horses ending up in slaughter anyway because they've been reduced to "lowly Grades". These are wellbred and sought after animals, and the majority of them don't really require rehab - the issue is this woman had so many older horses who started going downhill. The yearlings, for the most part, are scruffy and in need of a good worming.

Unless they're going to keep track of every single one of these animals, they can't guarantee they won't end up for slaughter anyway and how have you helped by "stopping breeding"? At least if someone DOES breed them there's a chance the foal will be worth something.

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If these are indeed some of the best of the best and great lines, I think its very short sighted of the rescues to shred the papers of the very best picks.
I couldn't agree more. IF the person wants to breed he/she WILL breed (even if there are no papers and/or horse is from rescue with the contract etc.). Heck, the true grades (no papers in 1st place) are bred ALL THE TIME.

I do think it's not smart at all of DEFHR.

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post #23 of 33 Old 05-05-2011, 07:34 AM
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Typically when you adopt a horse from a rescue situation they do not give you the papers because they want you to keep the horse for the rest of its life.
Maybe it is two thoughts in one sentence.
I do not get how a horse NOT having papers in anyway makes a person more likely to keep it for the rest of its life.


No papers means you are telling the entire crowd of people who show or think they may want to show in the future that the rescue is not interested in their value has a horse owner.
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post #24 of 33 Old 05-05-2011, 09:02 AM
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This is a case where the animals have been thoughtfully bred for beautiful, useful horses for the last 30 years.

It would be a downright dirty shame to deny these horses their registration papers, when they're some of the most well bred Polish Arabians out there.

I don't know what happened at Canterbury Farm or what hell the owner has been going through, but I do know she showed and bred some of the loveliest horses I've ever seen. To lose those carefully preserved bloodlines would be a devastating blow to the Arabian industry.

Anyone can breed crap to crap and get crap. She bred the best to the best and got even better. That takes time, money, patience, and the ability to see potential in picking certain bloodlines.

I'm not going to pass judgment on the owner until I hear more of the story. All I know is it's a tragic end to what started as a good, solid breeding and showing operation.

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post #25 of 33 Old 05-05-2011, 03:39 PM
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Subbing to find out more. This is a sad situation for not only the horses, but also the Arabian breed if the papers are destroyed. So many opportunities are opened up for well bred registered horses that just aren't there for horses that are just "pretty grades" now.

I understand their line of thought, but in this case, I don't agree with it.

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post #26 of 33 Old 05-05-2011, 10:58 PM
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This is a case where the animals have been thoughtfully bred for beautiful, useful horses for the last 30 years.

It would be a downright dirty shame to deny these horses their registration papers, when they're some of the most well bred Polish Arabians out there.

I don't know what happened at Canterbury Farm or what hell the owner has been going through, but I do know she showed and bred some of the loveliest horses I've ever seen. To lose those carefully preserved bloodlines would be a devastating blow to the Arabian industry.

Anyone can breed crap to crap and get crap. She bred the best to the best and got even better. That takes time, money, patience, and the ability to see potential in picking certain bloodlines.

I'm not going to pass judgment on the owner until I hear more of the story. All I know is it's a tragic end to what started as a good, solid breeding and showing operation.
My Arab friends on Facebook are strongly discussing this, and from what I understand she got sick. This isn't a classic case of a hoarder breeding pure garbage, this is a woman who had a beautiful program and hit hard times. Yes, she should have asked for help, but from what I understand the only horses in terrible condition were really old (I've heard at least half the stock was OLD broodmares and retirees). It sounds like in actually trying to keep them and not be a twit who sends her used up horses to auction, she just got in over her head.

No, age is not an excuse for a horse to look horrible, but I've heard some pretty questionable things in regards to this - aka. Confiscating ALL the animals. Apparently the yearlings were scruffy, but not anywhere near starving to death. It sounds like they took a couple pics of the worst animals and basically started announcing every one of the 133 horses looked that way.

It makes you think twice when you hear the other side of the story - FHOTD is ripping this woman a new one with absolutely NO concern over what may have actually happened. It's never an excuse, but it's silly to confiscate 50+ perfectly healthy horses, shred their papers and tout them as "rescues".

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My Arab friends on Facebook are strongly discussing this, and from what I understand she got sick. This isn't a classic case of a hoarder breeding pure garbage, this is a woman who had a beautiful program and hit hard times. Yes, she should have asked for help, but from what I understand the only horses in terrible condition were really old (I've heard at least half the stock was OLD broodmares and retirees). It sounds like in actually trying to keep them and not be a twit who sends her used up horses to auction, she just got in over her head.

No, age is not an excuse for a horse to look horrible, but I've heard some pretty questionable things in regards to this - aka. Confiscating ALL the animals. Apparently the yearlings were scruffy, but not anywhere near starving to death. It sounds like they took a couple pics of the worst animals and basically started announcing every one of the 133 horses looked that way.

It makes you think twice when you hear the other side of the story - FHOTD is ripping this woman a new one with absolutely NO concern over what may have actually happened. It's never an excuse, but it's silly to confiscate 50+ perfectly healthy horses, shred their papers and tout them as "rescues".
I am very close to one of the rescues that took in 35 of the horses. All 133 were seized. Yes they were not all in horrible shape, but they were all seized none the less. 80 were taken by another rescue org and the others were spread out among a some other rescues. But all of her horses were taken. It is a sad story, as she was ill and unemployed had fallen on hard times.
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You know, the options are getting few and far between for horse owners who have fallen on hard times.

Can't give 'em away, because the market's glutted and everyone already has their own horses to worry about. Can't sell 'em at auction, because people like Fugly will be all over them like white on rice, calling them evil monsters for selling to the kill buyers. Can't euth 'em, because ZOMG YOU HORRIBLE HORSE KILLER for putting down healthy stock!!!!

So what are we to do if we fall on hard times? We're ****ed if we keep them and can't feed them properly, ****ed if we try to give them away and can't, ****ed if we sell them at auction, and ****ed if we try to have them euthed.

Then when we've been ****ed for all those options, the AC swoops in and takes them, and we get vilified for not taking proper care of our animals.

It's a no win situation folks, and there but for the grace of God, illness, and loss of a paycheck, go any of us!

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I absolutely agree with that last post, SR. You also might want to tack on the fact that this very type of situation is what's keeping a lot of us from getting another horse or two, even if we ARE able take care of them now. I technically have room and funds for a couple new ones, but we have been stretched so thin in the past that we are afraid to even try to bring in any more because god forbid something should go wrong and we fall on hard times again. When you have been in the position of deciding whether to pay the power bill to keep your kids warm or buy hay to feed your horses, then you think twice before immediately condemning someone else, but you also think twice before helping. It truly is a no-win situation anymore, like you said.

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post #30 of 33 Old 05-06-2011, 01:47 PM
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SR: Exactly!

What options do you have when you are attacked for not asking for help AND attacked if you do ask for help? Though I have no Arabians, I've been following this on several sites and, frankly, it is frightening. One board is already reporting breeders going out of business and a large number of elderly horses being euth'd in response to this. I hope that somehow the bloodlines of these horses can be preserved but at this point I don't believe that will happen. What a sad, unfortunate mess!
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