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post #21 of 58 Old 10-19-2008, 05:54 PM
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heres another one. And this time the bear is hooked to the horse by a metal ring threw its nose. Its a shame....


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yeah... tying anything to a horse is bad enough.. and through the nose too..Oo but that horse doesn't look scared either.


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post #23 of 58 Old 10-20-2008, 11:22 AM
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yeah... tying anything to a horse is bad enough.. and through the nose too..Oo but that horse doesn't look scared either.
Are you serious? Can't you see that it IS scared? Honestly...:roll: how can you not see the fear in both the situations? It is so unatural...circus acts and similar ones are just sick and wrong...rediculous

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photo shop!!!!look at it really well....this is not real!

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It is real, I've seen it on video in a documentary as well.

Curly_horse_CMT: yeah, I'm serious. I think you people are imagining that fear because you think it's unatural. There is nothing that say a horse must be scared by having large predators aroud them. I can sense some level of being uncomfortable, but not any fear of the lion/bear. They're alreay so used to have those animals there and around them, they're no longer afraid of them. A scared horse wouldn't trot that casually and simply it just doesn't look frightened. On the documentary I saw it was even nuzzeling the lion (through bars) when they lead it past his cage. Their pens/cages were next to each other and the horse didn't mind at all. Didn't see any tension like that when the lion jumped up (on the film) either, other than that the horse threw his head up for a second in the landing, probably due to the weight.

I'm not saying that particular show is good, lots of things in the training methods and keeping of the animals could improve, but the horse was more nervous around the humans than around the lion. So I don't see anything wrong with the circus trick, if they just change to a bigger horse, smaller lion, care better for the animals health and train them differently etc. The thing with a horse carrying predator isn't that bad or weird.
And as I said; humans are predators too, we might not have teeth and fangs, but we have whips and spurs. We smell meat-eater and we move like a predator. Still we can get the horses used to us, so why it should be so bad and impossible to get them used to a lion or a bear, I don't see.

And this about circus acts altogether being bad for the horse just makes me laugh. (some previous comment). Dressage (todays, modern dressage), supposed to be the best and most constructive, sound, strengthening riding... started in a circus. (I guess western being the one most used for real work)
First there were academic dressage, then ''knightly'' games got forbidden on several locations, and english riding came to life; that is: trail riding, hunting, steeplechase and the like. But Baucher started mixing the old academic dressage with the new, free (english) riding. ''The new method'' is the base to what top riders use today. And Baucher got known for his training and riding - when he had become a famous circus artist and showed his horses on the circus. Modern dressage was born. I'm thinking of it because it's not the first time I hear especially dressage riders comment that ''circus tricks'' (mostly the spanish walk, prancing, bowing and the like) shouldn't be performed because it's no real riding and has no purpose. But what is dressage nowadays other than a form of circus? You show how well you and your horse can do different tricks that there is no use for in daily life, riding altogether is pretty useless in most cases, just good for our pleasure. Still that is ok, but circus acts are not? :P
But now I've wandered off the topic.

Well, that's my point of view. And I don't see any fear in the horse. It's perhaps a little stressed due to the crowd and the training it has gotten, but it's not afraid of the lion.
But I see problems with how everything is cared for, and the weight issues.

Then you can think I'm blind or whatever, but I know what a scared horse looks like. If I hadn't known that, I'd never come so far with groundwork wth my own horse, because I wouldn't be able to see when I was stepping on his limits and should stop to keep him from getting scared. I'm not a good rider, but I love to work with horses from the ground, and especially to get them used to ''scary'' things and see them overcome their fears. And I'm good at that.


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I thought it was photoshopped too at first; but sadly, it is not. :(

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totaly against it . . . I just wanna take the horse and hug him and turn him out in a feild and let him live life like a horse . . . Its not right . . . And it should be outlawed . . . Its dangerous . . . And stupid . . . And everything in a horses natural instints tells it that when a big predator leaps on to its back . . . Is that predator is trying to kill the horse!!! There is no good reason why stupid things like this should amuse people !!!

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I assume yoy think it's just as bad to have dogs at the stable, and that the horses are absolutely terrified of dogs and can't ever get used to them? Dogs too are predators and naturally attack horses (in pack, but still predators).
I have seen and heard about many horses at my barn and other barns attack, injure, and even kill dogs just because they got too close to a horse. I think horses can be taught to get used to dogs, but I don't think that horses are terrified of them.

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Just because humans thinks lions are bigger, more excotic and dangerous than we'd thnk a wolf or dog, doesn't mean the horse thinks of it like that.
Lions eat zebras. Zebras are like horses. Yes, I know, some people eat horses too. But horses AND dogs have been taught for hundreds of years if not a few thousands of years to be comfortable around people.

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It's incredible what horses can learn to accept without being scared. Shouting crowds, fireworks etc not to mention having a human on it's back and steering.
Shouting crowds and fireworks aren't nearly as dangerous as a hungry lion on your back. If you could would you run around out there with one on your back? Roaring in your ear, gripping your shoulders with it's claws, being whipped at by the ring leader, and knowing that at any given moment that thing could attack you and more than likely kill you... Yea, I think I'll pass. And besides, like someone else on here once said, I'm pretty much a pez dispenser to my horses. As long as a few yummy treats are involved they really could careless if I decide to go for a ride. =P
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I have seen and heard about many horses at my barn and other barns attack, injure, and even kill dogs just because they got too close to a horse. I think horses can be taught to get used to dogs, but I don't think that horses are terrified of them.



Lions eat zebras. Zebras are like horses. Yes, I know, some people eat horses too. But horses AND dogs have been taught for hundreds of years if not a few thousands of years to be comfortable around people.

Wolves eat elks, elks are bigger than horses. Hyenas chases zebras. Other canines eat horse-like beings. Differense except for the pack?
And if that's so.. how come that unbroken, unhandeled foals/yearlings doesn't run up to humans and accept being led and touched by them automatically?
They've lost some of their instincts to escape predators, but doesn't only count forhumans, that counts for pretty much everything that normally would be dangerous. Including lions.



Shouting crowds and fireworks aren't nearly as dangerous as a hungry lion on your back. If you could would you run around out there with one on your back? Roaring in your ear, gripping your shoulders with it's claws, being whipped at by the ring leader, and knowing that at any given moment that thing could attack you and more than likely kill you... Yea, I think I'll pass. And besides, like someone else on here once said, I'm pretty much a pez dispenser to my horses. As long as a few yummy treats are involved they really could careless if I decide to go for a ride. =P
Much like humans then. Sitting on the back, clinging to the horse (tack) pain through bits when the rider looses balance, loss of balance, noises. They're generally not happy to have us up there the first time either, but they learn to accept it.
It's all about the training.
And when did the whipping ring leader get involved by the ''fact'' that horses can't possibly get used to have a predator on their backs and feel fine with it, ever?

I'm not going to argu with yo people. I've already told my points several times and if you refuse to understand or accept them, it's up to you.


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Much like humans then. Sitting on the back, clinging to the horse (tack) pain through bits when the rider looses balance, loss of balance, noises. They're generally not happy to have us up there the first time either, but they learn to accept it.
It's all about the training.
And when did the whipping ring leader get involved by the ''fact'' that horses can't possibly get used to have a predator on their backs and feel fine with it, ever?

I'm not going to argu with yo people. I've already told my points several times and if you refuse to understand or accept them, it's up to you.
Yeah, but your points arent understandable to me. I refuse to accept them. And, yes, that is up to me.

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