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    03-06-2012, 11:13 PM
  #11
Yearling
Crimson88: I agree with a lot of what you have said. It's an opinion, and you have every right to voice it. I'm aware most of the members on this forum are pro-slaughter, but I know they don't agree with abuse. In my opinion, slaughter wouldn't be so bad if it was more humane. And I'm not one of those people who are "oh save da pwetty ponehs because I gots one" I believe that slaughter for all animals should be much more humane. What she said about to chemicals wormer and such things makes sense. It's not slaughter that I'm against, it's abuse.

Everyone is entitled their own opinion, but at the same time you shouldn't be jumping down her throat because you disagree. The same would have happened if she had been proslaughter, someone against it would have acted the same as well.

The immaturity on this forum when it comes to different views just makes me shake my head sometimes.

Very good essay Crimson88. :)
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    03-06-2012, 11:19 PM
  #12
Weanling
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
There are several factual errors in your paper. I didn't read the whole thing because it's not very well written and I couldn't bring myself to wade through it. Wild horses are freeze branded and are not allowed to be sold to slaughter. It's very well enforced.

Double decker trucks are NOT illegal for transporting horses and they have solid floors that don't allow feces and urine to fall down on the lower deck. A grown man can almost stand up straight in the lowest compartment. Horses wouldn't be able to lift thier head way up but they're not terribly uncomfortable.

The Canadian government studied the drug residue found in horses, cattle and pigs and the horses were 98% drug residue free, the highest of the three. There could very easily be withdrawl protocalls put in place by the Canadian or U.S. Governments. The processors and feedlots are already using withdrawl protocalls.

Good luck with your paper. Hopefully your teacher won't know anything more about the issue than you do. You have every right to your opinion but you shouldn't lie to try to make your point or believe the lies of others. Think for yourself. You listed a series of sites that are absolutely biased, did you not think to check thier facts?
So am I supposed to believe you instead of websites such as ABC News, and Wikipedia?
     
    03-06-2012, 11:22 PM
  #13
Trained
Nope. You're supposed to do your own research. That means looking at both sides of an issue. I think I'm probably a less biased source than ABC news and I'm **** sure a better source than wikipedia. If I were your teacher I'd fail you just for listing wikipedia as a source.
     
    03-06-2012, 11:29 PM
  #14
Weanling
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
Nope. You're supposed to do your own research. That means looking at both sides of an issue. I think I'm probably a less biased source than ABC news and I'm **** sure a better source than wikipedia. If I were your teacher I'd fail you just for listing wikipedia as a source.
Well sir, you did not look at my citations then because one of the websites I listed, states why both "anti-" and "pro-" groups are both "wrong".

In case you were wondering, I do have the highest GPA in my class, and my instructor suggested I take WR122 next term. That is five courses above my current course. I am also on honor-role.
     
    03-06-2012, 11:34 PM
  #15
Trained
In case you were wondering I have very little faith in teh education system. I think they do an adequate job teaching math and science but they fail miserably at teaching critical thinking and intellectual honesty. Your paper and gpa only support that.
     
    03-06-2012, 11:35 PM
  #16
Yearling
It's a persuasive speech, obviously someone had to disagree otherwise there wouldn't be anyone to convince :P opinions....they just aren't possible on this site without catching a little hell.
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    03-06-2012, 11:42 PM
  #17
Weanling
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
In case you were wondering I have very little faith in teh education system. I think they do an adequate job teaching math and science but they fail miserably at teaching critical thinking and intellectual honesty. Your paper and gpa only support that.
Agian, that's your opinion
     
    03-06-2012, 11:44 PM
  #18
Yearling
Crimson,
Your essay was one of the better ones I've seen written by a youth, even though I agree with some of the others that it's definitely very one-sided and has some rogue apostrophes (sorry, but I'm a teacher's kid...)

From the perspective of some of us, I'd like to suggest that there are a few questions unanswered by your solution to have the breeders stop breeding.

For example, has this solution already been suggested? Tried? Was it successful? Why or why not? If not, what next? Can it be determined whether the suggested solution to the problem is likely to succeed if certain conditions exist? If so, what conditions are needed?

Also, you could explore the question of "what if slaughter goes away altogether?" There are lots of issues there, and I don't recall any solutions presented in the essay for those horses that you agreed shouldn't be left starving and unclaimed or unwanted in the US, Mexico and Canada.

And the next and last question I'll suggest to prompt the critical thinking process is to ask what would happen if slaughter was banned not just for horses, but next for other meat animals. I'm the first one to agree that humane treatment must be required for animal husbandry, but the US Humane Society has an agenda that is not consistent with providing affordable, nutritious protein, milk and eggs for people to eat. They and other groups would like to see all animal farming and slaughter stop.

Good luck - you can still flesh out these opposing thoughts and opinions, and then conclude with your view, just like your teacher allows. But by fleshing it out, you'll educate others in a more balanced way, might actually prompt a discussion that yields solutions in your circle of influence, and you'll gain respect for your research.
     
    03-06-2012, 11:49 PM
  #19
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Ladytrails    
Crimson,
Your essay was one of the better ones I've seen written by a youth, even though I agree with some of the others that it's definitely very one-sided and has some rogue apostrophes (sorry, but I'm a teacher's kid...)

From the perspective of some of us, I'd like to suggest that there are a few questions unanswered by your solution to have the breeders stop breeding.

For example, has this solution already been suggested? Tried? Was it successful? Why or why not? If not, what next? Can it be determined whether the suggested solution to the problem is likely to succeed if certain conditions exist? If so, what conditions are needed?

Also, you could explore the question of "what if slaughter goes away altogether?" There are lots of issues there, and I don't recall any solutions presented in the essay for those horses that you agreed shouldn't be left starving and unclaimed or unwanted in the US, Mexico and Canada.

And the next and last question I'll suggest to prompt the critical thinking process is to ask what would happen if slaughter was banned not just for horses, but next for other meat animals. I'm the first one to agree that humane treatment must be required for animal husbandry, but the US Humane Society has an agenda that is not consistent with providing affordable, nutritious protein, milk and eggs for people to eat. They and other groups would like to see all animal farming and slaughter stop.

Good luck - you can still flesh out these opposing thoughts and opinions, and then conclude with your view, just like your teacher allows. But by fleshing it out, you'll educate others in a more balanced way, might actually prompt a discussion that yields solutions in your circle of influence, and you'll gain respect for your research.
Thank-you, You gave me somethings here to work with, for sure! I may revise it tonight. It's due tommorrow, but I am meeting with a tutor tommorrow and he/she can help me "dive deeper".
     
    03-06-2012, 11:51 PM
  #20
Super Moderator
Ask the sources that I listed -- like practicing Veterinarians. They see neglect and abuse and starving horses nearly every day. Ask THEM if there is more since American slaughter plants closed. They are the ones that get called in to kill the starved ones that can't survive when the Sheriff has them turned in to him. The neglect and abuse started more than a year before the economy melted down. It corresponded exactly with the loss of value in the horse market where the 'killer price' is the 'set in' price that every horse is worth.

Then, answer me one thing that I have asked in every one of these debates and have not gotten ONE answer!

If there were no slaughter plants (now in Mexico and Canada) where do you think all of the unwanted horses will go?

When there was full employment, a very high horse market for every kind of horse, a $900.00 'fat horse' killer market, there were still 100,000 unwanted horses a year. Where do you think they will go? The rescues are all underfunded and over-full. The number of unwanted horses would soon reach over 1,000,000 with horses living out for 25 - 30 years. If the distant plants closed tomorrow, where would all of these horses go? You cannot wave a magic want and make them disappear.
     

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