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    02-20-2012, 12:34 PM
  #21
Ink
Weanling
Again, from my experience with TB breeding, I have never heard of a foal being given to a nurse mare so the mother can be re-bred. That's a bit extreme for a mare that's only going to be gone for a few hours or at most a day in most cases.

The farm my friend lived on rebred their mares after they foaled. The mares all had to be sent out for breeding as the farm didn't own any studs. None of their babies were given to a nurse mare, except the one that was rejected by its mother.
     
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    02-20-2012, 01:15 PM
  #22
mls
Trained
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Originally Posted by CLaPorte432    

A healthy mare shouldn't have any problems producing enough milk for her own foal plus another. Therefore I don't get the point of taking the original foal away.
Most times the nurse mares are sent to live where the foal was born. If someone is going to spend that kind of money to 'rent' a nurse mare, they are not going to want to risk the mare hurting the oprhan foal in favor of their own.

Orphan foals that are raised together tend to have less social issues than one raised alone.

As was mentioned, it's done in the dairy industry all the time. We just purchased 5 'bucket' babies at the sales barn last weerk. One calf is with a beef cow that lost her calf and the other four are in hutches to be raised for sale.
     
    02-20-2012, 01:21 PM
  #23
Foal
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Originally Posted by CLaPorte432    
I wouldn't believe everything that you read on the internet. A lot of PETA activist's tend to stretch the truth on a lot of subjects relating to "horse abuse" as well as animal abuse in general.

A healthy mare shouldn't have any problems producing enough milk for her own foal plus another. Therefore I don't get the point of taking the original foal away.

I live in Kentucky where the horse racing industry is PRIME. Trust me, its done by the dozens on the big farms. I used to manage a couple stallion stables on one of the biggest racing farms in the state. Its huge in the racing industry so they can get the mare right back to bred again. People list nurse mares for rent on craigslist its so prominent.
     
    02-20-2012, 08:25 PM
  #24
Foal
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Originally Posted by PaintMare    
The TB broodmare is usually bred directly after she gives birth to her foal. Which is considered "her job" to be bred and have tb foals. So once the foal is born they take the broodmare away from the foal to be bred again. This leaves the foal without its mother and without milk. Which would mean a nurse mare would be needed to provide the foal with milk. Which leaves the nurse mare's foal without a mother and without milk...usually left to die....unless someone comes a long and rescues the foal.

Also the Jockey Club deems it to dangerous to put newborn foals in a trailer with the mother so they are seperated IF the broodmare must be trailered somewhere. This also leaves the foal without a mother and in need of milk. Which would mean a nurse mare would be brought in. Which leaves the nurse mare's foal without a mother...and usually left to die....unless the foal is rescued.

How does the JC deem it dangerous? I've never heard the jockey club have a position on that. Some farms, who's owners may be JC members, may find it dangerous.. But I've never heard that is an official opinion of the registry.

There are thousands of mares in KY.. it stands to reason that some, for whatever reason, will not be able to nurse their own foal, and that nurse mares would be used, as do colostrom banks and a whole slew of other things.

I do know of one rescue who says that they are rescuing NM foals. In actuality they are going to local auctions and buying weanlings - 2 yos, and then adopting them out.. saying they are NM foals.

There are sleazes in every industry.
     
    02-20-2012, 09:02 PM
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Cat
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Tapperjockey    
I do know of one rescue who says that they are rescuing NM foals. In actuality they are going to local auctions and buying weanlings - 2 yos, and then adopting them out.. saying they are NM foals.

There are sleazes in every industry.
Are you sure they aren't claiming them to be PMU instead? Not sure how they claim them to be nursemare when most nursemare foals are adopted out well before they are weaned. Usually a couple days to a couple months depending on how long they have been at the rescue. Anyone who is adopting out only weaned foals and beyond and claiming they are nursemare foals should send a red flag up to anyone who knows anything about them.

Ink - I know you claim to be in the racing industry but nursemares are used quite a bit here in Kentucky for both TB racing and Standarbred racing. Of course not all farms use them but enough do that make the business lucrative.
     
    02-20-2012, 09:15 PM
  #26
Weanling
Where do you adopt nursemare foals from?
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    02-20-2012, 09:20 PM
  #27
Weanling
I have had my eye on the LCC in Ohio for the last year. There were many, many times I was tempting to jump in the truck and head out there to pick up a foal during the 2011 season. I currently board though so it just wouldn't work. As soon as we buy our own farm in the next few years it will be the first thing I do come Spring. They are adorable and can grow up to make wonderful horses.
     
    02-21-2012, 01:06 AM
  #28
Ink
Weanling
Lol I never claimed to be involved in the racing industry. I said I grew up in KY and had some firsthand exposure to a breeding farm through a friend of mine. And granted it's been a long time, but from what I saw, nurse mares were used pretty sparingly only when something prevented the foal from nursing from it's own mother.

I know it's common practice to bring them in. I wasn't trying to argue otherwise, but I DO think it's not as common as PaintMare was implying for foals with healthy accepting mothers to be handed over to nurse mares.
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    02-21-2012, 01:31 AM
  #29
Ink
Weanling
Although I can see how it might happen more at the bigger operations if they send a mare out of state for her next covering.

Either way it's pretty silly to be arguing the exact frequency nurse mares are being used. Let's just say it happens. We can all be sad and outraged for the discarded nurse mare babies, but I honestly don't see the practice dying out any time soon.
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    02-21-2012, 02:46 AM
  #30
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Originally Posted by Cat    
Are you sure they aren't claiming them to be PMU instead? Not sure how they claim them to be nursemare when most nursemare foals are adopted out well before they are weaned. Usually a couple days to a couple months depending on how long they have been at the rescue. Anyone who is adopting out only weaned foals and beyond and claiming they are nursemare foals should send a red flag up to anyone who knows anything about them.
Funny you should mention that.. they used to "rescue" PMU foals. But those aren't as "trendy" now (or as common since many of the farms lost contracts) ... so now it's "Nursemare foals". They tell people they bottle/bucket raise them, and have had them XX amount of months/years.. bc they were so sick, they can't adopt them out right away. It's a great line. Totally false, but I can't police the world .. and sadly people buy it hook line and sinker.
     

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