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post #11 of 254 Old 02-25-2009, 05:15 PM Thread Starter
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Wild Spot I didn't mean to put you on the spot (no pun intended) I just was curious if you meant the non-fanatical or the freaks.

As I'm sure most of you are for the 'ethical treatment of animals' as am I. But the "PETA" group is made up of wacko's so to speak. It's the difference between someone who is trying to save the environment and someone else burning log trucks (which really happened near my town) and killing people to stop logging.

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post #12 of 254 Old 02-25-2009, 05:30 PM
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thanks for the post tempest.

Can I ask what the 1st birthday thing is all about? Why are people happy their horses weren't born before January?
I'm not positive but I would think it has to do with showing and racing.

They consider race horses, or horses in general when the exact birthdate is not recorded to have been born the first of the year. So if you have a horse that is born in Dec. 08 then according to this rule, he's a yearling by January 09, when in actuallity, he's only a month old.

So for him to be ellidgeable to race as a 2 year old, he'd have to race in January 10 and that would make him 13 months old. Too young to race.

Please correct me if I'm explaining this wrong but please don't beat me up because it's been over 20 years since I worked at the race track and that was for pacers and trotters so I might be wrong in what I typed.

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post #13 of 254 Old 02-25-2009, 06:20 PM
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Hey, it's no problem :]

I agree, I eat meat, I wear leather. I don't see anything wrong with breeding animals for a purpose, wether it be performance, meat, etc. As long as we give them a pleasent enough life while they are living it. *shrugs* The cows and sheep out on our farm seem pretty happy with their lot! They get to eat and sleep all day!

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I can agree with some of the ideas, and whatnot of PETA. I mean, we don't want people being allowed to treat animals like crap. But sorry, my kids ARE more important, and I will put any human (well almost any...) above an animal.
There are some things that PETA brings to peoples attention that we really need to know about. And I am very much against factory farming. I am not against farming, or meat, but factory farming, hell yeah. I've seen it forst hand, its bad. But people who treat their animals fairly, since those animals will be giving their lives, are not doing anything wrong.
I feed my ferrets meat, and plan to raise my own breeders. PETA would not like this, but if I feed kibble then I am not helping the factory farming issue at all. My mice are treated amazing before they are dinner. And their deaths are very quick. Dax can dispatch and eat a mouse in less time then it takes for them to die from CO2 (which the the typical method of killing feeder mice).

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Dax can dispatch and eat a mouse in less time then it takes for them to die from CO2
Dax is your ferret? I have a couple snakes. I used to feed them live, then I got them used to pre-killed (CO2 euthenized) but I've gone to buying frozen rats so I can thaw them and feed that way, only because I now have pet rats and hate to kill the little buggers myself these days. I guess I'm a softy when it comes to cuddly things... or scaley...
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I almost had a snake. I was planning on raising rats then too. But I would feed frozen thawed, just because snakes are slow eaters. Lol I didnt want anyone getting hurt.
I recently bought a jumbo rat for my ferrets, thinking I was buying a frozen one (to save money, it will feed all four instead of spending twice as much on smaller rats), she brought out a live one. I couldnt do it. I was scared of my ferrets getting hurt, I was already attatched to the big lug, and he must've had a crappy life. So now he is living in my cat carrier. I'm going to stick to mice from now on, ones that bite and I want nothing to do with.
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I could actually write a novel on why I hate peta. They are an extremeist activist group and I have never and will never support them.

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PETA goes way too far. I would love to see some better legislature for animal protection, but sometimes it is taken to an extreme that is dangerous.
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thanks for the post tempest.

Can I ask what the 1st birthday thing is all about? Why are people happy their horses weren't born before January?
Farmpony had it right. In most show and racing circuits, every horse's unofficial birthday is january 1. This was to make things "easier" in keeping track of a horses age. Instead of saying "he was foaled december 3 of 2002" and then having to figure out exactly how old he was, they say "he is an 02 foal" automatically making him 7 years old even if he may only be 6 years and 1 month.

As for the OP. I agree with a lot of you. I am all for what PETA started out as. Animals have to have some kind of protection against the cruel and abusive people of the world. But they allowed the fanatics to take over. The one's who burn the logging trucks and throw red paint on peoples fur coats actually scare me. Yes, I do love all animals and want to see them treated with kindness and respect but the main point is the fact that they are still just animals. Animals are beasts of burden put on this world to carry us, feed us, and clothe us. Along the timeline, they became our friends and many people have forgotten their original purpose. Horses, cattle, sheep, goats, etc are prey animals. They were designed to be food for the predator animals. Just because we love them doesn't change that.

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PETA Kills the most animals when it comes to animal shelters in the USA

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