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    09-26-2013, 01:08 AM
  #11
Foal
You are singing the same ole story all pro slaughter say.. Your message is nothing new. Especially when you address me a single person WHAT AM I TO DO. When this is NOT ABOUT ME its about more exposure to the TRUTH about horse slaughter. IT is NOT Humane as the AVMA and the AAEP say is Euthanisia. Euthanisia means a Good Death Not a struggle of stress and where stallions gets their heads bashed in so they wont fight on trailers cramp full trailers. Either in Texas or Illinois before 2007 they were outlawed in Texas for operating illegal based on a 1949 law that MOST pro slaughter fail to mention. As for as over populated of horses NO its just a slow market for everything homes cars jobs etc.. This is a multi million dollar business and everyone that cares little for horses wants this PIE..
     
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    09-26-2013, 01:14 AM
  #12
Foal
As for as NEW MEXICO being better well lets start by its representation to the plant owned by Santos..

     
    09-26-2013, 01:22 AM
  #13
Trained
^^ What does the above have to do with slaughter houses?

And while YOU say this isn't about individuals, I own a horse that is ridden perhaps 6 times/year. How many horses do YOU own that you don't need, but you feed & have their feet trimmed and vet checked, etc?
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    09-26-2013, 01:22 AM
  #14
Foal
Farm Bureau and AG are criminals and they are there own worse enemy.. They don't help rescues only use them to prove their lies.. They don't want others to know about other animal abuses in AG so they create AG GAG bills that hide and protect them..

Its only a matter of time until we have Canada bills passed thru parliament. What is most alarming is the Horsemeat Scandel's of meat mixing with beef and profiting and lying to the public.. When there is so much of a product and cheap in some areas its better for a criminal to mix it as beef to profit.. As I always say horse slaughter is merely a reward for criminals and irresponsible people. Oh by the way I raise a few horses and cattle and live in a population of 400 you think Im a city boy..
     
    09-26-2013, 01:25 AM
  #15
Foal
As I said BSMS I own several and choose the responsibility of all care needed and have for nearly 35 years... I don't see horses as a throw away Item as some people do..

These are the people that should NOT own a horse or any pet..
     
    09-26-2013, 01:28 AM
  #16
Green Broke
So. Much. Hostility.
     
    09-26-2013, 01:29 AM
  #17
Trained
Airspace1, what I think is that you hurdle accusations, but fail to back them up.
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    09-26-2013, 02:17 AM
  #18
Green Broke
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As I said BSMS I own several and choose the responsibility of all care needed and have for nearly 35 years... I don't see horses as a throw away Item as some people do..

These are the people that should NOT own a horse or any pet..
I hope you own a lot of land and have a endless income, because your going to need is to save all those horses that can't be cared for due to BYB and the economy.

I know I don't have the money or the land to do it.
     
    09-26-2013, 04:00 AM
  #19
Trained
Slaughter houses are still being operated, will always operate, and hopefully soon will be operating here. The last thing I want is BYB and any other horse being sent an extra thousand more miles to end their unfortunate circumstances.

What I'm most worried about is our good stock population. Responsible breeders are cutting back. While this is all good now, just wait a few years when a decent horse might cost several more thousand dollars because there aren't many to be found. I'm already seeing it.

All I can find locally are unbroke mutts with terrible conformation or non pro green broke semi decent horses practically free because there isn't a big enough market to afford the finished training (which would be covered by meat costs if they couldn't place it). There isn't anywhere locally to take them. Auction houses here have quit selling them because there isn't a profitable enough meat market and all to often they get stuck with dumped skinny diseased horses due to the economy. If they were at least worth their meat people would keep them healthy enough to sell....
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    09-26-2013, 09:21 AM
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Euthanisia means a Good Death Not a struggle of stress and where stallions gets their heads bashed in so they wont fight on trailers cramp full trailers.
Facts just don't play very well with you, do they? You are the most misinformed of any of the anti-slaughter people that have come here. Problem is, we have all forgotten more about horses and the horse industry that you have ever known or hope to know.

I have not seen a killer buyer bid on a stallion for about 5 years. USDA outlawed trucking them with other horses several years ago. Most untrained junk studs go through the local auction and bring about $50.00, even it they weigh 1200# (most don't). One local man buys most of them, takes them home and cuts them, deworms them, turns them out on good grass or good hay for 30 days and grains them. He brings them back to the sale about a month later and they sell for about $300.00 or more each. Not my preferred way to make a living, but he does quite well with it. We have a free market system here in the US and it is his right to buy and sell what he wants to and no one can gripe about how he cares for them.

Here are the rules proposed in 2000, 7 years before slaughter ended in the US. There were all put into regulations. 13 years ago -- probably long before you got on your soap-box -- these were the proposed rules -- all which have been adopted.
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USDA funded research at Colorado State University on the physical conditions of horses arriving at slaughter plants, at Texas A&M University on the effects of water deprivation in equines, and at the University of California, Davis on stress in equines shipped to slaughter facilities. The recommendations and findings of the USDA, stakeholder, and research groups became part of the regulations in 2000. Under these regulations shippers must:
  • Separate stallions and other aggressive horses from the rest of the shipment.
  • Provide adequate food, water, and rest six (6) hours prior to loading onto a vehicle.
  • Confine horses in a vehicle no longer than 24 (+4?) hours without food and water.
  • Use an owner/shipper certificate.
  • Provide adequate floor space.
  • Phase out two-tier trailers.
These are the actual rules that have been adopted and have been enforced. This same release from USDA goes on to document how many shippers have been fined almost $1,000,000 for breaking some of these rules.

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The regulations provide for complete domestic and international monitoring of the movement of U.S.-origin horses to slaughter through the use of owner /shipper certificates and corresponding backtags. The SHTP owner/shipper certificate is documentation that the shipper is in compliance with the regulations.

The regulations prohibit the transportation of a horse that is
a. Unable to bear weight on four limbs,
b. Unable to walk unassisted,
c. Blind in both eyes,
d. A foal under 6 months of age, and
e. A pregnant mare that is likely to foal (give birth)
during the trip.
So, these are already part of the rules and regulations. No one has ever 'saved' a foal from slaughter because they cannot be shipped to slaughter.

I have not seen a double deck truck hauling horses for many years except for the mustangs coming in to Pauls Valley. The reason given for them being hauled in double deck trucks is that the shipping had to go to the lowest bidder and that always seemed to be the shippers using double deck trucks. The managers of the BLM grazing units were some of the people actually proposing the rules against double deck trucks so they would not have to use them.

If you should be interested in facts, here is the USDA website that explains the actual rules and regulations that govern hauling of slaughter horses -- not that you would actually be interested in facts. Most of them seem to have escaped you thus far. USDA - APHIS - Animal Health - Horses
And, as usual, you have not answered any of my questions. Try to go back and actually answer them. We are all waiting. All we have gotten from you so far is venomous hate and bitter lies. Try facts and answering the big question -- What do you propose to do with all of the unwanted horses NOW if there is no slaughter option? In less than 10 years, they will number more than a million.
     

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