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post #11 of 27 Old 03-09-2014, 01:52 PM
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Word. (I would be more articulate but I've been up for 3 days on <5 hours sleep haha)

Needless to say loved the article and love Liam Neesen

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post #12 of 27 Old 03-09-2014, 02:17 PM
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It probably is about the real estate. I haven't seen a politician yet who backs anything merely for altruistic reasons.
Most working animals are healthier, better treated, and better mentally than their non-working counterparts (pets). Do they work hard -yes, but since when is having a job and purpose cruelty.

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So right Flytobecat. How is making a living cruel? Humans do it every day and are grateful to be productive. Am I being exploited because I have to work every day, instead of just playing? No. Balance is good for any living creature. Even in the wild animals must work for their daily meals.
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GREAT article!! Thanks for sharing. I only wish that 80-90% of our country's dogs and cats were neutered and spayed, so that the ones without homes wouldn't suffer a short and miserable life.
I don't know WHEN America will wake up and ridicule this ridiculous "makes me feel good while I do NOTHING to solve the problems I protest against" attitude. The sun will surely shine that day.

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Thank you Cherie, for the article and info. Its all part of our culture now, to just read a headline, join the bandwagon, and have no information about the actual facts if the case. Reminds me of the ban of horse slaughterhouses, and the mistaken idea that that is good for horses.

It falls on us, people who know and live horses, to educate on their behalf.
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post #16 of 27 Old 03-10-2014, 10:17 PM
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The animal rights crowd are little more than fascists.
(I have known one for about 18 years, she is a nutcase and absolutely convinced he views are the only possible correct views, For examples of what I would call her mild psychosis, she thinks that while she drives along in her car she can project a mental bubble, like a force field, around her car to protect animals from being run over, driving past a cattle truck one day she stated the smell was the smell of fear (I thought it was cattle piss and ****, but what do I know, only worked in the cattle industry for most of my life) and she can hear trees screaming when they get cut down (yet she is a vegan; I guess carrots don’t scream when they get eaten)).
The problem as I see it with these people comes from a number of sources: firstly this postmodernist rubbish that we have been dealing with for a couple of decades where everyone’s reality, or truth, is just as valid as everyone else’s, even if they have no actual knowledge or experience in whatever they want to carry on about; tell them they are wrong and you are guilty of epistemological violence or some crap like that, so that then just reinforces their sense of justification and superiority. Then, every one of these people I have ever met has come from an urban middle class background and had pretty privileged upbringings, have never had to work hard for anything and are entirely divorced and insulated from the realities of where food, and about every other product they consume comes from, or the process that create them. They are almost always the last ones to ever think about how their privileged, almost always middle class western, lifestyle enslaves millions of other PEOPLE around the world, never mind animals, and they tend to have an utter disregard for the welfare of those people.
When they buy their animal product free clothing, they usually don’t give a second thought to the poor person in East or South Asia slaving away in a sweatshop so that they can feel good about not wearing leather. Like the person I know, once, in a conversation, said that she thought the extermination of humanity would be good so there would be a nice animal paradise left. I see them, essentially, as utter morons.

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"GREAT article!! Thanks for sharing. I only wish that 80-90% of our country's dogs and cats were neutered and spayed, so that the ones without homes wouldn't suffer a short and miserable life."

genesis 1:26-28....and that part about being fruitful and multiplying...well when i see some of what is doing that i shudder!!!!! in all seriousness i am all for the spay/neuter...all my cats are and any rescued get that done asap!!! God has not stopped making kitties--He does not need my help!!!

animal rights??? i agree lots of folks jump on that band wagon without a thought to what many humans worldwide go through so they may have what they do at the price they want!!!

i do believe in animal rights--the right to be fed, sheltered, vetted as needed if possible and the right to earn their keep--carriage horses are (for the most part) incredibly well kept--they are in the public's eye--only a fool would mistreat or starve one...but i bet most folks on this thread have seen or heard of a horse abused--laying odds it was not a carriage horse!!!
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I didn't read the article (I will later, right now I'm in the middle of The Bachelor o.o) but I will say...

The animal rights people mean well. They want to do good. They don't want to see animals suffer. They are just... ill informed.

The sensitivity of the internet baffles me.
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HSUS needs disbanned. IT is using and abusing animals for money for the CEO.
I can see if someone wants to be vegan vegetarian octovarian and saying its cruel to slaughter for meat,
and well yes it is a way, but I am not giving up my steak or eggs. Plus eggs will not turn into chicks (unless there was a rooster around) .
I also dont currently raise animals for meat .I have in the past, and may in the future, but find it gross to have clean up where the beast was slaughtered. (gag)
And if you go look at how they slaughter chickens you would gag .
I do believe that there are humane ways to treat animals, pets to those intended for food.

Hsus and Peta need to go away along with these people who think owning animal and using an animal are cruel.. Next it will be attacks on the dogs for the handicapped.
I have heard that using dogs for hunting is now not legal in CA.. What a bunch of road apples
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I have heard that using dogs for hunting is now not legal in CA.. What a bunch of road apples
In part of our county (only part, due to the bizarre way NC handles hunting regions/laws), deer hunting with dogs is banned, but it has to do with safety, not animal welfare. Below is a short summary of the problem that was addressed in banning deer hunting with dogs in some areas of NC. It is still legal in my part of the county, but I am not comfortable at all when I'm driving down the road during deer hunting season and there are hunters shooting across the road.

Increasing population density has made it impractical to safely hunt deer with dogs. Hunting dogs routinely trespass onto private property. Hunters loiter on county roads with loaded firearms and routinely shoot over roads and private property to kill the deer.

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