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        02-28-2008, 09:47 AM
      #71
    Green Broke
    Overpopulation has been a problem even before the raised hay prices.
         
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        02-28-2008, 09:49 AM
      #72
    Green Broke
    Oh..we arn't talking about the horse market. We are talking about overpopulation. When you said "makeing a horse cheaper, more inclined to buy one or two horses" That creates a bigger problem for overepopulation, which again this subject is about.
         
        02-28-2008, 10:51 AM
      #73
    Yearling
    Well if people never get any more horses where are the ones we have going to go? And yes I was talking about overpopulation. People need to buy the horses and give them a non-breeding home in order to bring the population down.
         
        02-28-2008, 08:13 PM
      #74
    Started
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    Originally Posted by Deb
    (No, it may not stop the over-breeding. But it does contribute.- Harlee rides horses)



    Do you realize that in those two sentences you have just agreed with me? Having an easy out, an easy way to get rid of unwanted horses encourages overbreeding.

    If outlawing slaughter contributes to fewer people breeding just any old horse they have, there will be fewer horses in the market place. It therefore seems that with fewer horses, wherever there is a case of abuse, there is more likely to be a rescue operation that can take them when they do show up.

    Fist off, no I didn't. What would possibly between those 2 sentences make you think I was agreeing with you. I said it contributes, maybe you misunderstood me, I meant it contributes to the control of it. As in it decreases it.

    They have gotten rid of the slaughter houses, do you see people caring anymore about stopping breeding? No, people are too **** ignorant to realize or care.
         
        03-02-2008, 04:35 PM
      #75
    Deb
    Foal
    Harlee, the way you responded," that slaughter may not stop over-breed, but it does contribute" (to overbreeding?), seems like you're saying that slaughter contributes to overbreeding. From your phrasing that was the impression that I got.

    "They have gotten rid of the slaughter houses, do you see people caring anymore about stopping breeding? No, people are too **** ignorant to realize or care."


    I don't have the time to go through every post, but I'm just going to lay down the question for you to consider, how many of the people like with the same opinion as you, venture onto the breeding threads, and tell people who are considering breeding their mares, not to do it for the sake of the thousands of unwanted horses that languish for lack of a loving owner? I know that there were a couple folks, like myself, who got upset when someone was asking whether she should breed her mare with an offset leg (a defective horse, like why would you even have to ask?) and also when someone was seeking advice about becoming a "small-time" breeder. Were you one of those who got upset and said don't do it? Or were you and the others like you, giving cheery suggestions,and saying things like "I can hardly wait to see pictures" and "I'll buy your baby if it's an (whatever breed)" etc. If you are really sad about horses going to slaughter and being neglected, then you should be halfway down the throat of anyone who even suggests or hints that they may breed their horse just because they can.

    I was on a vegetarian forum a while back, arguing the case for purebred dog breeders vs. backyard breeders in a discussion about adopting rescues and reducing the unwanted pet population by spaying and neutering. And I took a beating for it. NO ONE there agreed with me. But you know something, they were more right than me. And I think that the same philosophy applies to horses. The only way that the number of slaughter horses and neglected horses is going to go down, is if people like you and me get on the cases of those who breed their animals without giving it a second thought.
         
        03-02-2008, 07:33 PM
      #76
    tim
    Weanling
    About overpopulation and the "unwanted horse" with regards to the U.S. Government.

    1. The government is not going to solve this problem for us.

    2. There is no Federal Law against horse slaughter and eating horses. It passed the House but was never considered in the Senate.

    3. The laws against slaughter are all State laws, mostly from Texas.

    4. There are laws currently being considered that will ban the exportation of horses to other nations for slaughter.

    The best solution to the problem is to take responsible care of your own horses and influence the decisions of others to do the same.

    And for the first time in the history of this industry, euthanization is being considered for the disposal of unwanted horses. This has been a method of controlling dog and cat populations for years but it has never been considered before now for horses on the same scale. There might come a time when the most common procedure for unwanted and neglected horses is euthanization.
         
        03-02-2008, 09:51 PM
      #77
    Deb
    Foal
    Like any other issue in life, the government can't solve the problem unless you want to live some kind of science fiction life where big brother decides EVERYthing for you. You are so right Tim, that it is up to individuals to deal with these kind of things and just like with too many dogs and cats, it begins with people choosing to be responsible and not breed their mares, or using their stallions to make a few extra bucks.

    The little purebred chihuahua that we had was gorgeous, absolutely but you know, she never had puppies even though there would have been no problem finding people to buy her puppies. Knowing how often dogs wind up with people who don't take care of them or love them, we decided never to take a chance with her puppies. So she never had any! That is responsible.

    As far as euthenasia for horses, well, beats a bolt gun that misses the mark the first couple times, or a knife to the spine. Our little dogs kidneys finally gave out (she was almost 18 years old) and it was so peaceful. I hope I go as easily. And if that is what unwanted horses have to look forward to, then close the slaughterhouses, close the borders.

    I'm not so stupid that I think that everyone will make the same choices that I have made with my animals. But I also don't want horses being terrorised and abused and butchered like they have been. In a perfect world, there wouldn't be even a need for a conversation like this but all things considered, your suggestion that that is the way of the future seems to me to be a better deal for the horses.
         
        03-03-2008, 09:28 AM
      #78
    Green Broke
    I smell a republican.
         
        03-03-2008, 03:31 PM
      #79
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tim


    And for the first time in the history of this industry, euthanization is being considered for the disposal of unwanted horses. This has been a method of controlling dog and cat populations for years but it has never been considered before now for horses on the same scale. There might come a time when the most common procedure for unwanted and neglected horses is euthanization.
    This sounds like a more reasonable way to control the horse population.
         
        03-03-2008, 04:38 PM
      #80
    Started
    The biggest issue isn't what to do with today's unwanted horses, it's how to prevent more unwanted horses from being born. There is a petition out there to reopen the slaughter plants and a friend of mine wrote a response, basically saying the reopening of the slaughter plants as they were is not the answer. Here is an excerpt from that letter as it relates to overbreeding:

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    We have OVER bred horses in this country for years and now we have to take responsibility for our crime. Unfortunately the horses will die off at no fault of their own. The market will come back when the undesirable critters are gone, very SAD to think of and say! MAYBE, IF folks stop breeding with no intended buyers lined up that would help... do you think???

    They cry "over population", WELL..... then they should only do selective BREEDING! Everyone and their brother has a stud in their back yard that is the answer to everyone else's dreams!
         

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