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post #81 of 93 Old 03-04-2008, 03:52 PM
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The biggest issue isn't what to do with today's unwanted horses, it's how to prevent more unwanted horses from being born. There is a petition out there to reopen the slaughter plants and a friend of mine wrote a response, basically saying the reopening of the slaughter plants as they were is not the answer. Here is an excerpt from that letter as it relates to overbreeding:

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We have OVER bred horses in this country for years and now we have to take responsibility for our crime. Unfortunately the horses will die off at no fault of their own. The market will come back when the undesirable critters are gone, very SAD to think of and say! MAYBE, IF folks stop breeding with no intended buyers lined up that would help... do you think???

They cry "over population", WELL..... then they should only do selective BREEDING! Everyone and their brother has a stud in their back yard that is the answer to everyone else's dreams!
You can't just expect people to get rid of their high and mighty horses that they love ever so dearly... You can't expect everyone to do selective breeding either. What about the horses that are specifically kept able to be specifically bred, even the great ones have accidents. What if a great Qh stallion gets loose and breeds to some magnificent standardbred? What do you have now? You will still have accidents, and ignorant people. The only people who follow petitions are the ones who sign them.

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post #82 of 93 Old 03-04-2008, 06:39 PM
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You can't just expect people to get rid of their high and mighty horses that they love ever so dearly... You can't expect everyone to do selective breeding either. What about the horses that are specifically kept able to be specifically bred, even the great ones have accidents. What if a great qh stallion gets loose and breeds to some magnificent standardbred? What do you have now? You will still have accidents, and ignorant people. The only people who follow petitions are the ones who sign them.[/quote]

You darn well should expect that selective breeding should take place. I don't want to see horses disappear from the face of the earth either. But I don't think that you or your neighbour should breed your mangy old mutt of a horse just because in your eyes, she is so wonderful and that is exactly what happens too often.

What petitions do is encourage politicians to make laws that force ignorant fools to do what is right. That's why we have traffic laws, and laws about stealing, etc. and yes you are right, some people will break those laws but for the majority of people who are law-abiding but can't think past their nose about what is the right thing to do, it will show them what must be done and they will comply. The only reason that we need so many laws in this world is that people are selfish and want what they want what they want.....
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You can't just expect people to get rid of their high and mighty horses that they love ever so dearly... You can't expect everyone to do selective breeding either. What about the horses that are specifically kept able to be specifically bred, even the great ones have accidents. What if a great qh stallion gets loose and breeds to some magnificent standardbred? What do you have now? You will still have accidents, and ignorant people. The only people who follow petitions are the ones who sign them.
You darn well should expect that selective breeding should take place. I don't want to see horses disappear from the face of the earth either. But I don't think that you or your neighbour should breed your mangy old mutt of a horse just because in your eyes, she is so wonderful and that is exactly what happens too often.

What petitions do is encourage politicians to make laws that force ignorant fools to do what is right. That's why we have traffic laws, and laws about stealing, etc. and yes you are right, some people will break those laws but for the majority of people who are law-abiding but can't think past their nose about what is the right thing to do, it will show them what must be done and they will comply. The only reason that we need so many laws in this world is that people are selfish and want what they want what they want.....[/quote]

True. But did you not read what Tim posted?

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post #84 of 93 Old 03-04-2008, 09:14 PM
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True. But did you not read what Tim posted?[/quote]

Yes I did, and this is what I said in response to his statement about euthanising horses " but all things considered, your suggestion that that is the way of the future seems to me to be a better deal for the horses".
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post #85 of 93 Old 03-05-2008, 11:33 AM
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The government cannot fix all our problems. Somethings we just have to deal with. Deb, you need to calm down.
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post #86 of 93 Old 03-05-2008, 01:07 PM
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The government cannot fix all our problems. Somethings we just have to deal with. Deb, you need to calm down.
The problem is, people are not dealing with it. Overbreeding of horses continues to happen. I saw an online ad for a stable that had 40 weanlings for sale. 40!!!

I don't think Deb is being irrational. She is merely stating her point, which she has every right to do. She seems pretty calm to me.
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People aren't dealing with it because they have enough sense to know that horse slaughter contributes to the deduction of horses that are over-bred. The online ad for the weanlings for sale, they must have many many mares that they feel are breeding material. Over-breeding happens because people are ignorant and don't care. And for those that don't care, we shouldn't have to deal with their problems so thus they have the choice to send their horses to slaughter. I agree that Deb does need to cool her jets.

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post #88 of 93 Old 03-05-2008, 05:12 PM
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Yes, foal crops, that's how some people make a living. I have been to many farms three in Texas one in Flordia that raise filly and colt crops, their entire years worth of pay depends on those crops.
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post #89 of 93 Old 03-06-2008, 12:51 PM
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So in reality, those people are no better than those that run "puppy mills" - mass breeding for profit.


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post #90 of 93 Old 03-06-2008, 05:00 PM
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So in reality, those people are no better than those that run "puppy mills" - mass breeding for profit.
Exactly.

In the horse industry, everyone knows you can make money on the sale of horses. When some people put two and two together, they realize that by breeding mares excessively every season, they stand to make some money in eleven months. They think that because they can make babies, they can manufacture money.

Of course, like every other profitable enterprise, it's not that simple. The problems we see these days partly stem from people's lack of understanding and from the over-simplification of the issue that results from that.
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