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        01-12-2008, 12:44 PM
      #101
    Banned
    You sure about that? Not saying it's neccesarily the case, but some equine food products do contain animal fat.

    We're both of your horses rescued from slaughter?

    So you don't have any dogs or cats?
         
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        01-12-2008, 12:47 PM
      #102
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bubba13
    You sure about that? Not saying it's neccesarily the case, but some equine food products do contain animal fat.

    We're both of your horses rescued from slaughter?

    So you don't have any dogs or cats?
    yes I'm sure, like you said, some do.and no neither of them were rescued from slaughter and no I don't have any dogs or cats.
         
        01-12-2008, 12:50 PM
      #103
    Banned
    You sure do talk big, then, for someone who hasn't rescued any horses.

    I own five horses, and I have rescued two horses from the kill pen. Am I still the bad guy, now? I also own four dogs, and three of those were rescues.
         
        01-12-2008, 01:01 PM
      #104
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bubba13
    You sure do talk big, then, for someone who hasn't rescued any horses.

    I own five horses, and I have rescued two horses from the kill pen. Am I still the bad guy, now? I also own four dogs, and three of those were rescues.
    maybe if I had the money to transport the horses here, der.and you are only the bad guy if you support horse slaughter.
         
        01-12-2008, 01:26 PM
      #105
    Started
    I don't want to butt in but:

    I have two dogs. One of them was a rescue. The other I got as a puppy that had the possible future of going to the local dog pound as the first did.

    Blu is a rescue as well. I think every animal I have at the moment is a rescue.

    One horse, two dogs, and a cat.

    Speaking of rescues here, I wish out local dog pound would be better taken care of. They just hose down the pens to clean them...with the dogs inside by the way. Every dog gets the same kind of food and the same serving. So far that I know of, the dogs are checked on twice daily. Sometimes around noon if the pens need cleaning. These dogs have 3-8 days, I believe, to be claimed or adopted. Often the dogs are euthanized before given the chance at a new life. What do you think they do with the euthanized dogs???

    ^I'm not positive about that one but just the thought scares me....
         
        01-12-2008, 03:50 PM
      #106
    Showing
    Its illegal to bury a horse? Oh dear, please don't tell me that I have one buried in my pasture and several dogs and kittys buried in my front yard :(

    I have a rooster grave too do I have to dig him up too?
         
        01-12-2008, 05:26 PM
      #107
    Green Broke
    So just because I support slaugher means im a bad person? Sorry, but im sure you have beliefs that I don't believe in. Im not saying your a bad person for disagreeing with me. I'v resuced horse from slaughter, I have had 3 horse from rescue and I have worked with over 4 rescue horses. How bad am I now? I just think suffering horses should be put out of their misery.
         
        01-12-2008, 05:38 PM
      #108
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by .Delete.
    So just because I support slaugher means im a bad person? Sorry, but im sure you have beliefs that I don't believe in. Im not saying your a bad person for disagreeing with me. I'v resuced horse from slaughter, I have had 3 horse from rescue and I have worked with over 4 rescue horses. How bad am I now? I just think suffering horses should be put out of their misery.
    But not all horses that go to slaughter are that way.and They should be more humane about it. Why chop them up and feed them to people afterwards.I mean cows and pigs aren't meant to be kept as pets, but horses are. It's just not right. I can't look at the posters of horses on my wall anymore because all I can picture is the slaughter house and I start crying. That's why I avoid my room.
         
        01-12-2008, 10:00 PM
      #109
    Banned
    First, to whoever asked, yes, in most places, it is illegal to bury animal carcasses on your property, mostly due to fears about contamination of groundwater. Check with your local law enforcement office. Now, police aren’t patrolling the streets looking for fresh graves, and I don’t really know how strict they are in enforcing the law. Basically, don’t get caught, and you’ll be fine—but if you have a well, I’d be worried about the bodies decomposing and contaminating it.
         
        01-12-2008, 10:01 PM
      #110
    Banned
    Now, to alli0707….when did I say I supported horse slaughter? Because I can’t remember ever saying that. And while we’re pointing fingers at the bad guys/good guys, let me say this: I consider people like you to be “bad guys.” Sure, you have noble intentions, but your group of people has made things so much harder on horses. Before, there was the American slaughterhouse. Inhumane transport, yes, ugly to think about, yes—but infinitely better than being hauled hundreds of miles to Mexico, then abused, neglected, and slaughtered in deplorable conditions. Before, horses were crammed onto trailers, made to suffer for a couple days, and then quickly (and usually painlessly) killed. Then it was all over. Down Mexico way, there are any USDA officers to make sure things are done right. You’ve seen those videos—the botched captive bolt gun in the shoulder, the stabbing and cutting of the back multiple times, etc.

    And for those that don’t go to Mexico or Canada—their lives are saved! Yay! But they are unwanted horses. And there are a lot of them…..I estimate between half and one million (or more). They starve and end up like that one Delete posted. Or are abused/neglected by their owners. I personally have been offered three free horses since the slaughter ban—they’re nice horses, but nobody wants them, and nobody’s taking care of them. I know someone who bought nine—yes, nine—registered, well-bred weanlings at an auction for $50—that’s not per head, that’s total, $5 a piece. When horses are that cheap, do you really think people are taking good care of them? Of course not! But you close your eyes to this and chant “Slaughter is wrong! Slaughter is wrong!” until you feel better.

    “Animal rights activists” such as yourself should take the time to do your research if you really want to help out. All of the “facts” you gave me turned out to be fiction when I researched them (It’s illegal to eat horsemeat in Mexico? Fewer horses are being slaughtered now than 20 years ago?) which, I’m sorry to say, is a testament to your ignorance on the subject. If you had really taken the time to read your literature, you would have realized that banning slaughter in the US was not the logical solution for the time being. Perhaps you could have introduced legislation to make transport and slaughter more humane, or educated people about not breeding more unwanted horses. Now that’s a thought, huh? Things like that would have actually helped.

    Now while you point fingers and call people like Delete and I “pro-slaughter beings” and “smartasses,” you are doing nothing to help. Now that slaughter is banned, there are so many unwanted horses with nowhere to go. But you pat yourself on the back for having slaughter banned and saving the ponies—but you don’t actually save the ponies! You leave that to responsible people like Delete and me, who actually put our money/time/effort where our mouths are and pick up the slack for people like you. In addition to my two personal rescues, I have helped several other horses find their way from the slaughter yard into loving homes. Each Christmas I give a big donation to a local animal rescue. You say you can’t afford to rescue (even though you can afford your own two horses…go figure)? Well, neither can most other people, and that’s the problem. So many horses, nowhere to go. Because most people won’t take in the hundreds of thousands of unwanted horses, just like you. That’s why they’re being shipped to Mexico. I can take a few, Delete can take a few, and the rest…..end up slaughtered in Mexico or starved.

    I’m not pro-slaughter. I’m anti-alternative, as are almost all reputable equine sources. AQHA and AVMA, to name a few.
         

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