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        01-12-2008, 11:02 PM
      #111
    Banned
    Now, you say that cows and pigs aren’t meant to be kept as pets, but horses are? OK, if you say so. In the US, cats and dogs are classified as companion animals. Cattle, swine, poultry—and equines—are considered livestock. Horses are unique in that they’re also beasts of burden who are able to perform a service to people. They’re all animals, though, and just because horses are prettier or more romantic doesn’t make them any different. It’s no more immoral to slaughter a horse than a cow than a puppy dog. Yet in India, where cattle are sacred, the very thought of killing a cow is sacrilege, while we don’t think twice about eating them in the US. Dogs are eaten in China. Monkeys are eaten in Africa. Horses are eaten in France. What, I ask you, is the difference?

    Another question: Why do you care what happens to the horses body after it’s dead? I’d rather see it go for meat and at least be used for something than rot in the ground, all the while polluting the environment. Chopping up a dead animal is not inhumane. It’s dead for cryin’ out loud! Not to mention, the whole point of slaughter is to get meat….so why wouldn’t you feed them to people?

    And one more question: Where do you sleep? Seriously, if you can’t go in your room because it’ll make you cry. … Funny, when I look at my horses, I don’t see a slaughterhouse. I see their devotion, trust, and gratitude that I have given them a second chance at life.
         
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        01-12-2008, 11:27 PM
      #112
    Showing
    Sorry to tell you this but in Kansas its not illegal to bury an animal.
    http://www.kansas.gov/kahd/laws/animal_removal.shtml
    Trust me for the $350 we spent for the men with the backhoe, the $250 we spent to have her humanely euthanized we did it right and legally. You had me worried
    A note as a moderator. Please no name calling or profanity. You have a right to your opinions as do all members of this forum. Try to voice those opinions in a rational, intellegent, adult manner.
         
        01-12-2008, 11:40 PM
      #113
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Vidaloco
    Sorry to tell you this but in Kansas its not illegal to bury an animal.
    http://www.kansas.gov/kahd/laws/animal_removal.shtml
    Trust me for the $350 we spent for the men with the backhoe, the $250 we spent to have her humanely euthanized we did it right and legally. You had me worried
    I'm glad to hear that--it makes things easier on horse owners. It is illegal where I'm at, and carries a hefty fine if you're caught.
         
        01-13-2008, 12:01 AM
      #114
    Showing
    I was almost afraid to post anything about buring our poor girl. Didn't want the health dept. On my doorstep I know there were problems with people throwing pig carcasses in a creek several years ago. Nasty I agree there needs to be regulations set.
         
        01-13-2008, 01:51 AM
      #115
    Weanling
    Slaughter is a tough issue for me. I wish there was more I could do to help horses that are abandoned and in need of rescue or adoption, but I canrt afford to buy my own horse. I have ot pay my way through college and am lucky to lease a horse. But some day I would love to buy a lot of land and open a safe haven for neglected, unwanted, old, injured horses that would go to slaughter but instead can eat grass all day and be happy. I just wish there was a more humane way to slaughter ALL animals. Like injecting them so they die peacfully, then do w/e. I dunno its a cruel mad world. I just hate the thought of our horses being sent into mexico to suffer even more.

    In a way I guess I am okay with consumption of horses, but I wish they would kill them humanely where they arent in fear before and during death.

    I also believe we should have some laws on breeding like in China people can only have 2 kids due to over population. We need to leave it to professionals to breed. Which makes me think of one lady where I ride who breeds her ****** warmbloods. She interbreeds them and has a lot of horses that she can't sell. No one will buy them because they are crazy and so is she lol. Anywho a few summers back when we had a real big heat wave she forgot to water them for a few days and like I guess 8 of them died. She is definitely in my eyes is NOT a professional breeder because who forgets to water their horses? Sorry for getting off topic :roll:
         
        01-13-2008, 07:19 AM
      #116
    Trained
    So far I havent had a whole lot to say in this thread as horse slaughter isnt a huge issue in australia and to be honest, I well up with tears just thinking about what those poor horses go through.

    However, some things that have been said have made me think about things. I am beginning to understand where those who are for slaughter are coming from. If there are less horses being slaughtered then there are more horses slowly starving to death which, obviously is a worse way to die than IF they were being put down humanely (and I know they arent). I can see the logic in that. And it does seem like the problems lay in things like the way they are transported and they way they are put down.

    Im having trouble putting words what im thinking so im going to try and keep it short and not at all fancy :) my understanding is this: if the horses were transported in respectable conditions, fed while they waited and were then put down in a humane manner, it would be more accepted as a reasonable way of dealing with the amount of neglected, starving horses that there are. The issues arise from their treatment and the way they are so horribly slaughtered. (tell me if im getting it wrong.)

    Im starting to see that some of the things being said like how many of them are better off is probably true. This may be very sad and I still wish slaughter wasnt an issue but the harsh reality is that it is needed. I personally would like to see an animal humanely put to rest than see it suffer. But I know they don't do it humanely so I am somewhat torn about how I feel in regards to this subject. I guess im starting to see both sides of the subject though
         
        01-13-2008, 07:35 PM
      #117
    Foal
    First of all, those horses were already going to Mexico when the US plants were open, Bubba. Now that the US plants are closed people have a better chance at getting to the horses to rescue them. When the plant in Illinois was closed a team of rescue people went there and got all the horses out of there and gave them good homes. Those horses would be dead if it wasn't for that plant closing down.So there is a good side to the plants in the US getting shut down. The same happened with horses in Texas, I just saw the people talking about the ones in illinois on the news. I'm done arguing with you. I don't want these horses being treated badly at all, and that is what they are getting. Again, there is better solutions. Don't ask what they are because I really don't know. I know it's possible that these horses can be saved.
         
        01-13-2008, 10:07 PM
      #118
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by alli0707
    Again, there is better solutions. Don't ask what they are because I really don't know.
    And that right there just about sums up this entire thread.

    edited because I don't really think that's appropriate nor the message we are trying to send from this forum. Not only that, there was no need for it - jazzy
         
        01-13-2008, 11:08 PM
      #119
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bubba13
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by alli0707
    Again, there is better solutions. Don't ask what they are because I really don't know.
    And that right there just about sums up this entire thread.

    I'm off to go murder some foals now.....
    was that really necessary?? Im actually quite offended by that and somewhat concerned that someone on this forum sees fit to say something like that
         
        01-13-2008, 11:15 PM
      #120
    Weanling
    I'm offended by that remark too.

    I had a whole passionate shpiel against the slaughter of horses. Practical reasons and moral reasons, but my browser is a doodoo head.. so I'll have to post it tomorrow (no more time tonight).

    Although I do think overbreeding is the problem, so educating people about breeding should help. Asking questions like "Will this foal be marketable, if so in what possible discipline? Do I need this horse, or am I breeding for the sake of it? Can I afford to keep this horse if the market slumps? Will I have the time to train this horse? If it's not a registerable foal, will it still be in demand/talented?" Sadly (while I don't think it should be true, it sort of is) a horse with papers is often valued over a horse without papers. If your horse isn't registerable with an association, you better take the time to train it and make it marketable to decrease its chances of going to slaugher.
         

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