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        01-09-2008, 04:45 PM
      #51
    Green Broke
    I didn't say all I said most.
         
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        01-09-2008, 04:49 PM
      #52
    Yearling
    I thought you were saying this to me
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    Oh and BTW the food you feed your dog. Most dog feed is made from horse. So preach that you want to "end slaughter" while feeding your dog.
    Thats why I responded with the ingredients for my dog's food.

    Either way - people are going to sit firmly on either side of the fence on a topic like this. Instead of people fighting amoung one another on the topic, we should honestly be thinking of ways to control the horse population to begin with. As I mentioned earlier... the real problem is that breeding is running rampant.

         
        01-09-2008, 07:11 PM
      #53
    tim
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by bubba13
    The method of slaughter that was used in the US was the penetrating captive bolt gun, which is considered the most humane method of euthanasia--even more than the shot given by vets. It is instantly fatal in something like 98% of cases. Yes, sometimes there are mistakes, and horses suffer. But this is the exception, not the norm.

    In Canada, they shoot the horses. Same deal. Instant and humane.

    In Mexico, some plants use the bolt gun, but some sever the spinal cord--probably the video you were talking about, but I can't view it on this computer. Once they do reach the spinal cord, the horse is paralyzed and cannot breathe....but is still conscious and able to feel pain as it is yanked upside down and bled out.

    Guess where American horses are going to be slaughtered? Mexico!
    The video you are referring to is from Mexico and they are using the penetrating captive bolt gun. However, they are ignoring the most critical aspect of the "humanity" of this device: the restraint of the animal. The horses seen are simply being forced into the kill chamber and the shot is applied while they maintain free movement within the chamber. For that reason, most of the horses require two and three shots from the gun in order to induce unconciousness. In one case I watched, the horse was shot in the shoulder before it was properly stunned.

    The true purpose of the penetrating captive bolt gun is to render horses unconcious before exsanguination (bleeding out) and to administer a shot to the shoulder would result in immense pain. It is meant to be applied to a restrained animal in the forehead. By restraining the animal, you can ensure that the gun be placed firmly on the head and fired so that immediate unconciousness is achieved through a swelling of brain mass. Sadly these horses were not afforded restraint. For that reason many of them undergo multiple shots from the gun before they become unconcious.

    It is important to note that the penetrating bolt gun is not intended as the primary means of euthanasia. It is simply intended to stun.
         
        01-09-2008, 08:35 PM
      #54
    Banned
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    Gunshot and the penetrating captive bolt are acceptable physical methods of euthanasia. When used in the correct manner, they induce death more rapidly than chemical euthanasia. They produce death in the same way, by disrupting the brain and causing loss of consciousness and subsequent death. Euthanasia by gunshot may pose an inherent risk for other animals and humans, and should only be performed by someone skilled in the method and in a safe environment. The penetrating captive bolt is safer than gunshot euthanasia because it does not release a projectile (e.g., bullet). Please note that there are two types of captive bolt—penetrating and nonpenetrating. The penetrating captive bolt induces death by firing a rod into the brain. The nonpenetrating captive bolt causes a severe concussion that stuns the animal but does not kill it. The nonpenetrating captive bolt is not considered a humane method of euthanasia for horses.

    Gunshot and penetrating captive bolt euthanasia are less expensive than chemical euthanasia and do not present the risks of environmental contamination or animal poisoning. These techniques are considered aesthetically displeasing to many horse owners, but they are effective. Many technical large animal emergency rescue groups carry penetrating captive bolts for use in emergency situations. For example, when a fatally injured horse is trapped in a trailer, it may not be possible to access the horse's veins to chemically euthanatize it, and discharging a firearm in a closed trailer is extremely dangerous. The penetrating captive bolt is the preferred method of euthanasia in this situation because it induces rapid death without jeopardizing the lives of other animals or people in the trailer.
         
        01-09-2008, 11:02 PM
      #55
    Foal
    Re: Slaughter

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    Originally Posted by alli0707

    It's people like you that keep slaughter around.If horse slaughter was to end everywhere(mexico, canada and europe) there would be alot of happiness in this world. People keep saying if there wasn't slaughter that there will be a huge upage on neglected horses but since horse slaughter was stopped in california it hasn't happened yet.People need to stop predicting what will happen and give it a chance to see what happens.

    How you could say you would rather be torchered then starve to death? That's just weird to me. I would rather die a slow(not as painful death) then go to slaughter and have people treat me far worse. They starve the horses there anyways. There isn't really a difference except horses that are neglected don't get chopped up into pieces after they die.And they aren't forced to choke to death. Hopefully one of these you will open your eyes and realize that horse slaughter is sick and wrong and needs to be stopped.Especially in Mexico.
    I find that EXTREMELY offensive. First off its people like you who spread ignorance and false information about slaughter around. Slaughter houses do not starve their horses. They kill them right away, its painless they don't feel a thing. I go to a slaughter yard about twice a month. I see starved horses go there yes, but they have round bales and tons of hay laying around for them to eat. You preach that people need to stop predicting what will happen?
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    If horse slaughter was to end everywhere(mexico, canada and europe) there would be alot of happiness in this world.
    Hypocrite. So tell me, what is going to happen to all those horses that are ment to go to slaughter? The ones that are disease riddled and arn't being taken care of that were going to be sent to slaughter if they could. Whats going to happen to them? The magical horse fairy is going to give them a perfect live of forever happines with beautiful land where they can live happy and free? No. They will rot and die in a pasture, putting out more toxins into the ground and air causing over all more risky diseases for our horses to get. Don't you see? If slaughter was stopped horses would die and rott in pastures all around the country, the number of horse related diseases will sky rocket and that means more vacc. For your precious horses. You have to think outside of the "Don't hurt the horsie" box. Horses around the country will suffer greatly. Again, who are you to say they don't want to die? If I was them i'd rather get killed instantly and make use of my parts then painfully die of endless suffering and rott putting out potential toxin that could harm another animal.
    wow are you serious?I wouldn't be talking if I haven't been to a feedlot. I don't know what feedlot you were at but it had to have been one that I have never heard of.The horses are put in a pen that is completely empty. With no food or water. They are so sickly skinny that most of them are on the ground. They have huge gashs and bruises.

    How about people stop being money hungry and cut down costs on euthanisia and there won't be a problem with sick and injured horses. If horse slaughter was banned everywhere all they would have to do is cut down the costs and there you go..and on the whole dog food thing.You did not say some dog food has horse in it.You were trying to get people to feel guilty about feeding their dog because it has horse in it.Nowhere did you say some brands have horse. Come on I know you have a big enough heart to see that horse slaughter is both inhumane and WRONG.
         
        01-09-2008, 11:10 PM
      #56
    Banned
    Um, if they weren't feeding horses in feedlots, how would they fatten them up to have enough meat to make it worth their while?

    And euthanasia--gunshot euthanasia, that is--is not at all expensive. But disposing of the carcass is (cremation runs over $1000, burying is illegal, composting is impractical, and some places don't have rendering plants or garbage disposal for animal carcasses).

    But if people are abusing/neglecting their horse anyway, why would they bother to euthanize it? Just let it starve, right? From their perspective.
         
        01-09-2008, 11:18 PM
      #57
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by bubba13
    Um, if they weren't feeding horses in feedlots, how would they fatten them up to have enough meat to make it worth their while?

    And euthanasia--gunshot euthanasia, that is--is not at all expensive. But disposing of the carcass is (cremation runs over $1000, burying is illegal, composting is impractical, and some places don't have rendering plants or garbage disposal for animal carcasses).

    But if people are abusing/neglecting their horse anyway, why would they bother to euthanize it? Just let it starve, right? From their perspective.
    wow, your're very ignorant.Stop arguing with an anti-slaughter being. The horses that they slaughter and get 'alot' of meat off of are mostly stolen. Just because a horse is very skinny doesn't mean they don't have meat on them. They don't feed the horses once they are on their journey to the slaughter house.Which lasts about two days at the most.A horse is still going to have meat on it after two days.
         
        01-09-2008, 11:24 PM
      #58
    Banned
    I'm ignorant. OK. And you are? How old, now?

    Mostly stolen?! I find that laughable! And where are your statistics to support this, since every website I've ever been to (both pro- and anti-slaughter) has said that there is no possible way of knowing how many stolen horses are sold to slaughter each year? Are you magic? Do you know something no one else in the world does? Do share, please!

    No one's arguing that transport to slaughter isn't cruel. It is. But the horses are fed, and are not starving. If a horse couldn't stand, it couldn't be slaughtered. They can't kill them that way--no way to get them into the kill pen--and there's danger of the meat not being safe. Most slaughtered horses are actually in good body condition and are healthy.
         
        01-09-2008, 11:29 PM
      #59
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by bubba13
    I'm ignorant. OK. And you are? How old, now?

    Mostly stolen?! I find that laughable! And where are your statistics to support this, since every website I've ever been to (both pro- and anti-slaughter) has said that there is no possible way of knowing how many stolen horses are sold to slaughter each year? Are you magic? Do you know something no one else in the world does? Do share, please!

    No one's arguing that transport to slaughter isn't cruel. It is. But the horses are fed, and are not starving. If a horse couldn't stand, it couldn't be slaughtered. They can't kill them that way--no way to get them into the kill pen--and there's danger of the meat not being safe. Most slaughtered horses are actually in good body condition and are healthy.
    Yes most of them are stolen..And they can know approximately how many horses are stolen by looking at reports that people make out. And the statistics I'm talking about aren't the ones stolen, but the ones that are just being slaughtered.and I'm not being immature at all so don't ask how old I am.If I was being immature I would be calling you names and stuff but no I'm just trying to share my views on it but all I get in return are arguements and it's annoying.
         
        01-09-2008, 11:31 PM
      #60
    Banned
    You're 20 years old? Wow. Three years older than me and....never mind.
         

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