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Slaughter.....Dog Food.....Would You?

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View Poll Results: Diffucult/Worthless/Etc. Horse..what would you do?
Sell for slaughter/sell to someone and not keep in touch 7 15.56%
Tough it out and try to fix the problem 38 84.44%
Voters: 45. You may not vote on this poll

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    11-29-2008, 09:09 PM
I place human life and safety over animal every time regardless of why it may be dangerous.
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    11-30-2008, 09:32 AM
WHy does that require the horse to DIE? If they are taken to a sanctuary, they are not a 'danger', and they don't have to pay the ultimate price for some human that screwed them up to begin with.

But, it wouldn't be as profitable that way, and that is what it REALLY boils down to, innit?
    11-30-2008, 09:43 AM
Why? Because the owner doesn't always choose to do so. Some like myself choose to raise and sell livestock its how we make a living and around here having an income to pay our bills is considered a very good thing.
    11-30-2008, 10:07 AM
I consider the welfare of the horses more important than money.

Mite explain why I am beatnik poor, too. But I like myself, and our horses will never hafta worry about that.

It is what is important to you. Money is just a means to an end for me, but my heart wouldn't let me sell a horse for slaughter when I knew it was only 'dangerous' because some human screwed the horse up.

You can still make money offa livestock and still have all consideration for your animals. I know of a menonite guy near me that has dairy cattle (and some horses). He took a cow to slaughter recently, but he was devastated about it. (Cow had a septic leg wound, wasn't getting better and he can't use medicines that aren't to be used on food animals.) He had no choice, and slaughter was a last option for a suffering animal.

A dangerous one is one that was incorrectly trained and handled, (we aren't talking about one injured beyond hope of recovery) and reguardless of money or whatever, it is WRONG to have the horse killed when it was the fault of a human that he/she was like that anyway. There are other options, but it seems it is about MONEY and not HORSES. If you REALLY care about the horses, the money shuddn't matter.

If you are into horses strictly for money, you mite be in the wrong business. I am in it for love of the animal, and that love overshadows my greed for money.

Edited to add... I myself cudda made horses my trade, I cudda got into training and breeding for money, but in order to REALLY make the money, I would have had to sacrifice my morals, and what I feel to be right with horses, so I chose to go into nursing. THEN I don't hafta compromise, I don't hafta do what I know is wrong just so I can make some bucks......
    11-30-2008, 10:16 AM
I would never do anything that I know is wrong either also would never raise any species of animal that I didn't love. Nor would I ever sell any to slaughter just for money. I raise and sell them because like most people I support myself to do so takes money. I choose to raise livestock because I'm very good at it and can give animals the love and care they need to live well while their here.

And beleive me I really care about horses. Maybe not the way you do, maybe not in your eyes but certainly no less then you do.
    11-30-2008, 10:28 AM
Then my point.

A dangerous horse was made that way BY A HUMAN. If you would be willing to send a horse to slaughter because they were deemed 'dangerous' then IN MY OPINION money must mean more than the horse. There are sanctuarys you can take them too, there are trainers who specialize in so-called dangerous horses, there ARE options other than the slaughterhouse for a so-called dangerous horse, and the responsiblity should lay with the human, since a fellow human screwed the horse up to begin with. Taking them to slaughter when it is a human's fault they were dangerous to begin with is (AS USUAL) making the horse pay for the human's mistake.
    11-30-2008, 10:53 AM
Like I said that's your opinion not mine hardly means yours is right and mine wrong just means their different. I have no desire to control what you do nor do I care to have you control what I do.
    11-30-2008, 11:02 AM
I thought the control issue was from the other thread.

No doubt you have a right to your opinion. But do you deny that something should be done about overbreeding in this country? Wudn't that require us 'having to control' what others do? I mean, in our own country and econonmy we can see what happens when business and coperations do when left unchecked, same thing. There is SOME need of control, because horses can't go to court, run for government, ect, so there are those of us who appoint ourselves as someone who speaks for thier welfare, and in the face of 'who cares, it isn't ME or MY horse affected, ect.'

If someone was trying to do something bad, would you have any compunction to intervene? Does that mean you are tryin to CONTROL someone?
    11-30-2008, 11:08 AM
Define bad.

I think theres way way way to many horses in the U.S. I also think theres way to many people. But I am not in favor of limiting the number of either that can be bred. Also not in favor of who can breed ( of either species ) also not in favor of anyone decided which ones should be used for breeding. I'm very very much into our form of gov. Where free enterprise and choice are used.

As far as horse slaughter goes I've just never heard a logical reason to ban it. I don't place the horse above other species. I'm not against exporting food reagardless what kind, I have no problem with someone from another country having a business here we do it so should they if they want.

Like I said I'd need a logical reason to ban it before I could even think of supporting that movement.
    11-30-2008, 11:21 AM
Bad. Something that is not good.

Well, as far as I can tell, humans aren't being slaughtered with the claim it is controlling the population. Besides, I thought you put humans over horses, anyway? And free entreprise is for OUR citizens. The ones that own and run the slaughtehouses WERE NOT our citizens (when the slaughterhouses were in full operation.) Should we stand by and do nothing when horses are abused and forced into such horror? Should we not recognise the FACT that slaughter makes overbreeding profitiable as well as gives incentives for people to steal horses? Should we allow people to make sweat shops and forcibly employ people and not give proper wages or benefits and turn a blind eye because it is free enterprise?

That business has helped to create the overpopulation problem in this country. You CANNOT take on the overbreeding issue without recoginsing the incentive given by slaughter making it so profitable. To not regulate businesses puts us in the similar place we are now with banks and wall street. But, that means CONTROLLING.

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