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    View Poll Results: Diffucult/Worthless/Etc. Horse..what would you do?
    Sell for slaughter/sell to someone and not keep in touch 7 15.56%
    Tough it out and try to fix the problem 38 84.44%
    Voters: 45. You may not vote on this poll

     
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        11-30-2008, 11:32 AM
      #111
    Weanling
    Do I don't think we should do any of those things I'd say anyone with much common sense doesn't incluiding myself. Where you came up with the human slaughter thing I have no idea nor am I even interested that's your deal.

    I don't see where horse population drives slaughter if it did then we've had to many horses since theres been horses here that's how long we've slaughtered them. Years ago the plants were owned by americans then by other countries I have no problems with either.
         
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        11-30-2008, 11:48 AM
      #112
    Weanling
    You spoke of human overpopulation as if it pertained to the subject of horse overpopulation, I was making a feeble attempt at humor while trying to make a point. Musta got missed. (humor and point)

    Actually, it is slaughter that drives the horse population. IF slaughter didn't make overbreeding profitable, I doubt it would be such a problem, most people are in it for the money. Consequently, when the slaughter companies started up, the overpopulation problem started not but a few years later. (I used to have the stats, I don't remember where to find them,tho). Stats show that overbreeding started shortly after the introduction of the slaughterhouses, and has been a problem since. Slaughter was banned in the 1940s, yet slaughterhouses found a way around that. Now the houses have been shut down, tho the bill banning slaughter hasn't passed. They can and will start up again if they can find a place where they are accepted (big problem for them now, most americans other than me are dead set against it). As long as there is a market for horse meat, slaughter will continue to pay people to overbreed as they can sell the culls for meat, and the problem that slaughter creates will continue until slaughtering of horses for human consumptions is stopped.
         
        11-30-2008, 11:55 AM
      #113
    Weanling
    Slaughter was banned in the 40's for the state of Tx. Only not the rest of the country. There were many many plants all around the country for years. Sorry but I don't see the breeding for slaughter thing. I personally know 100's of breeders from here in Mn. All the way down to Tx. Not one breeds for the slaughter market or could come close to making any money doing it. Very very very few places in this country can graze horses year round due to snow, hot dry areas etc. It takes 3 years to get a foal to slaughter weight unless your dealing with drafts. You can make much much much more money grazing cattle that get to slaughter weight in 1/2 the time and are selling for 3 times the money.
         
        11-30-2008, 12:21 PM
      #114
    Weanling
    There have been three main plants in the US for horse slaughter, 2 in TEXAS and 1 in Illinois. They have been shut down now.

    I work in rescue. Most of the rescue horses are OTTB. All these 'unwanted' horses going to slaughter are not springing outta the ground like daisies, they are being BRED. By a HUMAN. Humans are overbreeding, as the guy I know in the mountains does, and they do it because they knoe they can sell their culls to the meat men. THIS is breeding for slaughter. I have seen it with my OWN EYES. Why they don't breed cows instead I don't know, except like in the case of that one guy. He CAN make a cuople thousand off a horse, maybe he cudn't get that for a cow, I don't know. But many of the big breeding operations have got it down so that they don't invest much at all per horse, and they can always sell them to the meat men if they don't sell for the big bucks.

    Also, slaughter has helped the PMU industry overbreed as well. They pay for them to overbreed.
         
        11-30-2008, 12:42 PM
      #115
    Weanling
    Actually there have been many plants in the U.S. The 3 you mentioned are the lase that were in operation. At one time there were 2 here in Mn. Along with a number of states that had them.

    I agree horses don't spring up like daisies actually no animal does. And yes horses from the tracks go to slaughter but that's not the purpose they were bred for. Dairy cows also go to slaughter but their purpose of being bred was to produce mlk.
         
        11-30-2008, 01:09 PM
      #116
    Weanling
    If the horse population drives slaughter wouldn't we slaughter more now then at any time? Our horse population is at its highest level in history. Yet percentage wise we slaughter the fewest we even have.
         
        12-01-2008, 06:29 AM
      #117
    Weanling
    The REASON that the population is more than we ever had is helped by the fact slaughter had people knowing they could easily sell the culls to the meat men, and they had financial incentive to overbreed, just like this guy up here in the mountains does. He will continue to overbreed, as will they all, until the price of a horse finally goes far enough down that he no longer has the incentive.

    I called my friend, btw, the sister, and got up with her, and asked her how many horses he sent to slaughter this year. She said she didn't know how many a year, but the meat guys just picked up 20 horses, all under 3 and perfectly healthy.

    The racehorse breeders may not SEEM to breed for slaughter, but when you churn out hundreds of TBs a year, KNOWING that only a third MITE make the grade, and the others are the many OTTBs that end up shipped off for slaughter, then whether they admit it or not, THOSE horses ARE 'bred for slaughter.' The Jockey Club showed some 40,000 to 50,000 (can't remember the exact stats) horses bred and registered this past year, how many of THOSE ended up shipped off to slaughter, minus the lucky few that made the grade or ended up at rescues (and working them I can tell you over half the horses that come in are OTTBs). This is JUST racehorses, this ain't like the HUGE quarter horse ranches out west that also churn out hundreds of horses, and the breeders don't care, they can sell whatever doesn't sell to meat men, they get THEIR money reguardless, the breed industries don't care (tho I must say that is SLOWLY changing) they get money for every horse that is bred and papered, they have that financial incentive to encourage overbreeding, not to metion the fees they get with every transfer, and I am ashamed to say that the AMVA also supports slaughter, because if we stopped overbreeding, there mite not be the plentious supply of money that comes in per animal. It still boils down to MONEY, or HORSES. I vote for horses.

    So slaughter has contributed to the problem, never HAS helped the problem as it claims it has, it DOES give financial incentive to overbreed. THIS is the effect on horse populations.


    The three I mentioned slaughtered STRICTLY horses, they were big plants that didn't slaughter any thing BUT horses. I don't know about your plant, but most plants that slaughtered only horses have been closed down. Unfortunately, slaughter is STILL goin on, it is still an outlet, and it still provides an incentive to overbreed. When gas prices got so high, I hoped it would deter some of the transport, but I am sure it is in full swing again. Until we close the borders, we can't deal with the problem as it should be. But the border problem, as it concerns other countries, is far trickier, PLUS we can't pass ANY legislation TO close the borders until the bill is passed (you can make legislation based on legislation that hasn't passed yet.) So, first the bill has to pass, then we can focus on closing the borders to slaughter, and we will be FORCED to deal with overpopulation (as we should be), tho with the incentive taken away, it mite take awhile for even the most stubborn of overbreeders to stop, but when horses go BACK to being pets in this country, instead of being bred as a food animal, thier population numbers will balance out. We will have a problem at first, and it is ALL our responsibility to do what we can.


    For one thing, instead of buying a horse that has been bred by one of these big facilities, let us listen to our heart and rescue a horse, rather than join the swelling ranks of breed snobs. Also, breed registries should have VERY strict restrictions on breeding, (even tho it DOES cut into the their 'bottom line') and do like the Fresians and the horses HAVE to pass a very rigous inspection process TO be registered. Don't see Fresians overpopulating. But I see TBs and QH (and I only use them as examples because those two breeds are the most proliferate in this country, more of them than any other registeries) with horrible conformation being bred and spitting out inferior animals all the time, perhaps if the registries would have more rigerous standards then fewer animals could be registered, and the big breeders would slow down on the over production of these animals. And while I do NOT support the NAIS thing, I DO think legislation that has breeding restrictions should be introduced, to stop the backyard breeders as well. (and the legislation needs to be enforced, not all the laws passed to protect the welfare of animals actually ends up enforced.) Dogs and cats are not allowed to be overbred like this, they have laws against 'puppy mills' (and rightly so) I think similar legislation should be entered for horses, as well as possibly considering the age-old arguement of having a horse's legal status changed from livestock (which allows for much more breeding than non-livstock animals) to pet animals.
    Plus, as to what to do with the horses that ARE pets, and have gotten injured, are too old, whatever where they have no quality of life anymore, the horse be treated well, put down with GREAT care taken to ensure the animals suffers NO pain, that death is verified PER ANIMAL before bleeding and skinning, and the meat be used to help us here in america to develop food for the hundreds of thousands of dogs and cats in this country so that China can't poison our pets anymore (are you listening, ALPO and others that have sold out and sold US out?) and give americans a chance to use the meat to feed horses (or, even more wonderful, if it IS to be used for human consumption, we send it to starving people in Darfur and Myrmar and such......) But all that is with the understanding that a serious and all-encompassing change in the way they were slaughtered HAS to change.
         
        12-01-2008, 10:54 AM
      #118
    Weanling
    So explain why right now at this time our horse population is the highest in history anbd the slaughter rate the lowest. Your therory just doesn't add up.

    If someone wants to take a horse from a rescue snob I have no problem with it. I listen to my heart and buy them from a good hearted breeder.

    BTW I vote for horses also.
         
        12-01-2008, 11:21 AM
      #119
    Weanling
    Sigh.

    The slaughter rates are ONLY low rite now (and AGAIN, we cannot know what the real stats are since they are going over the border and no stats are being counted) is because the biggie slaughterhouses are closed. Population is up because overbreeding is so profitable.
         
        12-01-2008, 11:26 AM
      #120
    Weanling
    We don't have stats? Yes we do the USDA has stats for every horse that leaves this country, where it goes, and what its purpose is. Were slaughtering about 1/2% of our total horse population. Theres not one thing that shows slaughter causes over breeding. Do you actually think we have over 9 million horses so we can slaughter 150,000?

    Over breeding is profatable? If that were the case every mare in this country would be bred.
         

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