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View Poll Results: Diffucult/Worthless/Etc. Horse..what would you do?
Sell for slaughter/sell to someone and not keep in touch 7 15.56%
Tough it out and try to fix the problem 38 84.44%
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post #241 of 261 Old 01-15-2009, 07:04 PM
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Kincsem- Cows are very, very rarely killed and eaten in India at all. In fact most of the nation, with the exception of two provinces, is under a slaughter ban. The slaughter bans in India are based off religion not morals so to say they have "better morals" than some people on this board seems a little ignorant. There are practices in India that I'm sure you would find immoral: the caste system, the common but illegal practice of child selling, the continual wars over the rights to the Kashmir province etc. In fact until sometime in the late 12th century (and as late as the 18th century) cows were used in sacrafice. The discontinuation of using cows as sacraficial animals also does seem to have coincided with the emergence and development of agrifulture, although claims along these lines are difficult to prove. How does that sit with your morals? I would continue this discourse on the modern and historical use of cattle in Indian culture but it would be off topic. I am attempting to point out however that your analogy is not apt and your comment on the morals of the people on this board is offensive. If you would like to make your analogy apt I would be delighted to hear about this religion you apparently practice where the horse is revered with a sacredness that is comprable to the religous light that most Indians hold the cow.
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post #242 of 261 Old 01-15-2009, 08:51 PM
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Religion teaches morality. That is its purpose. Religion is supposed to teach people morals which means the difference between right and wrong. Gratitude is not a sin. Greed is a sin. My religion says be grateful to those who have helped you and done right by you. If your religion says care only about yourself and show no concern for those that have served you and suffered for you and worked for you then I cannot share it. The Bible says a good man cares for the life of his beast. I see no difference between gratitude toward another person and gratitude toward a non human animal. I raised cattle for years and they never worked or in many cases never showed any appreciation for the care I gave them at all. I saved their lives and instead of gratitude I got grief. One cow with an injured leg I brought food and water to 3 times a day for 10 days and it is was not a short walk to where she was. After she recuperated later on she got out and led others out also. I pulled calves in the middle of the night more than once. I sacrificed to keep them fed and if the hay delivery was late or not up to their standards they would get out if they could rather than wait. My horses have always been grateful. They wait patiently for their food and do not knock me down or push and shove me like the cows did. I only have 2 old cows now and they are pensioned. I have a 33 year old horse who is as sweet as can be. Some people would have sent her to slaughter when she got old so they could get every dollar out of her they could. If you think that is OK then I guess you do not know what morals are. Legal according to mans law is not always moral. Gods law and mans law are not always the same. The caste system was made illegal in India many years ago because they realized it was immoral. Horses have been partners to people for many centuries and deserve as much reverence as the cows in India and possibly more.
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Firstly, I would like to say that I have no bones with the stands you take on slaughter. I just wanted to point out what I saw as wrong. Everyone is entitled to their own thoughts. I would never send my horse to slaughter; I intend to keep her until her last day. This does not mean, however, that I am going to condem people that do send their horses to slaughter. I would love to live in a world where the unwanted/unuseable/unhealthy horses get euthed instead of hauled to slaughter but this is not a reality and as such everyone must deal in practicalities.

Secondly, I think it is wrong to speak on cultural matters on which you apparently know nothing about and to accuse people of having poor morals. Lets just keep in mind that morals are very relative. Religion is a very broad catergory and to say that all religions strive to teach morality is a fallacy. Morals deal in the perceptions of right and wrong, and religions do not necessarily set out to teach the lessons of right and wrong. Some may, but not all. Religion is merely a collection of beliefs that acknowledge a greater prescence. Would you say that Satanism teaches morality as you think of it?

Thirdly, I am sorry if any of my comments about cattle roused feelings of injustice in you and stirred bad memories.

Fourhtly and finally, the US is not the only nation in which laws are broken. It is illegal to discriminate on the basis of race, sex or religion but yet there is still discrimination. The caste system in India has been around before America was even a dream of a dream, somewhere around 3,500 years. Our country hasn't even been around for 300 years and we can't get rid of discrimination. Do you think that India can get rid of the caste system in a mere sixty years?
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post #244 of 261 Old 01-15-2009, 10:21 PM
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You mean to tell me you actually think all cattle are like you describe and all horses? If you do your world is very small.
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post #245 of 261 Old 01-16-2009, 02:14 PM
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I have read several vetinary and MD statements of the problems in using sodium pentobarbitol, also I have a living relitive who while under sedation for surgery using sodium pentobarbitol can recount everything that occured during her surgery. (She won her case by the way) You will notice that anethesia requires you to sign a release form... there is good reason for that...

I'm in real trouble, I have a cow that my kids ride, she has a name, she will wait at the gate for you, when she has gotten out she comes to the window of the house to see if you'll come out and play (not fun cleaning cow snot off a window)... Oh and she is here for one reason... to breed and produce beef for our freezer. When she is no longer useful I suspect she will also become hamburger.

I would guess that this would bother some folks... and that is ok... however, it all comes down to what her purpose on this earth is...

If finacial times are good and I could manage to keep that mixed up cow, I might do it... but dollars are still dollars. I have rescued more animals than I can list but keeping animals costs money. I currently have 9 rescued animals on my property, 5 foster animals that others have rescued... and just this week I got laid off from my job... guess what I have to do???
I have to make some tough decisions, who stays, who goes... the 5 foster animals leave next week. I have placed calls for many of the others. The animals that are kept will be those that are purposeful... Horse, a couple dogs, cows, sheep. Horse stays because I can and have been using him as transportation. Dogs are security system. Cows and sheep are food.

When people won't make the hard decisions are when animals get put out to a pasture and are unmanaged, when hard decisions are allowed to be held off animals get abused and starved. Slaughter regardless of method is still better than slow miserable death by starvation that I have personally tried to rescued animals from. Yes sometimes they can be rescued, but not always. I have a grave yard to prove it.

Morals are a hard thing to figure... some of the same folks I know who are so very anti animal cruelty are the same ones who stand up and support human abortion. Something I just can't understand. Morals is not the purpose of religion, religion is a vehichle in the worship of a given diety. Hopefully that diety stands for a set of morals that build civilization and not destroy... but that is also another off topic matter.

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post #246 of 261 Old 01-16-2009, 02:55 PM
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I would rather die than sell on of my animals to slaughter!
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I would rather eat my animals then die.
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Haha! Well said county!
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I would rather turn cannibal than eat my horse!
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