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post #41 of 48 Old 11-14-2011, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by SaddleDragon View Post
The breeds get lumped together all the time. Just like this^^^. Im tired of people who think they know, but dont. The heaviest shoe/pad combo in asb's is still lighter than the smallest stack for TWH.

Not all walking horses wear those! Its one division that wears them. I dont like them either, but its not cruel. The soring that SOME do, thats whats cruel.
Dont bash a whole breed for one division they offer. I know of many TWH folks that absolutly hate the stacks and such. So no, its not all of them. Should they quit a breed the love just because of the stacks or soring. Id hope not. One must stand up for their belifs and leaving a breed they love because of controversy is a silly.

OP, there is cruely in EVERY breed and every dicipline. Please dont judge the TWH because of people. They are good solid horses that have got caught up in the rediculiousness of people. If the TWH wants motion like that they could have bred for it, but instead the bred for the RW and lost the motion. Now they want it back and the only way to get it is breed for it and wait or 'stack 'em high'.

Very good point, I think TWH does get lumped into one division, do I think padding etc is the way to go? No, but I do know that just because it is the section of the breed that recieves the largest amount of media doesn't mean that the entire breed is walking the same path. There are plenty of walkers our there in shows or not that are natural moving and great solid horses. To me stacking of any kind is a little bizarre, even if it is smaller than the smallest, do I think it is cruel if it is within reason? No not necessarily cruel, but to me if the horse is a good horse and talented enough for showing, you shouldn't need it. That is the kind of horse I want to show...not a horse with gimmicks. But again, some people use them for animation (small stacks, weighted shoes etc) and it gives them an edge I guess.

I agree that the padded horses have turned their breeding around and it is now that they are bred for less motion as they want pacey so that the the angle they are moving at in the pace with pads makes them walk more. I own and train TWH mare in Canada and she has amazing motion and naturally gaited enough that she runwalks in the pasture. I trail ride her or show her either barefoot or with regular shoes on because of the trails and she canters beautifully with ease. In Western Canada we focus a lot more on the showing quality of a naturally gaited horse and they best natural movement.

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post #42 of 48 Old 11-14-2011, 11:30 AM
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I don't have to read the other posts--it's inhumane and unnecessary. It's a cruel shortcut. You know, many people train their horses to drive FIRST bc it strengthens their hindquarters without weight bearing stress. When you see the average TWH doing what he/she loves to do, which is fly along at a running walk on a trail, the horse displays what we like to see in the show ring, except he/she has the tail up in the air to show happiness. There are SO MANY ways to build the muscle and encourage overstepping with cavaletti and the like, I wonder why PETA selectively ignores this and picks on our other more sensible equine pursuits. Guess they're paid off. **noises of disgust**
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post #43 of 48 Old 11-14-2011, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Corporal View Post
There are SO MANY ways to build the muscle and encourage overstepping with cavaletti and the like, I wonder why PETA selectively ignores this and picks on our other more sensible equine pursuits. Guess they're paid off. **noises of disgust**
That's a very good point.
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post #44 of 48 Old 03-25-2014, 02:46 PM
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I love walkers. I used to show them in the "big" association shows when I was in middle/high school. I never could understand why I NEVER (and I mean never in 5/6 years) won a first place in any of the flat-shod classes I participated in. And then I realized what was going on. As a kid, I saw some of this soring happening at the shows/barns I would visit but I had no idea what it was and, sadly, I know many my age and younger that think it is okay because their friends/family/whoever has always done it. And then I realized - I wasn't doing well because my horses were completely natural. These days, I just trail ride and occasionally open show my girls.

I love the walking horse. I love their natural gait. I also love to watch a horse run across a pasture when turned out. After being around this industry for so long I can tell you that the heavy shoes BY THEMSELVES do not hurt the horse if put on properly. That being said, you can't safely turn one out on pads without risky injury and - on a personal level - I don't agree with that.

So, don't judge an entire breed/showing practice based on what you see in the news. There are plenty of people that show walkers that genuinely love their horses. At the same time, I have seen way too many instances of soring to be okay with the current state of the show circuit. I got out and back to the fun, open shows for a reason. This is a situation where some "side" is going to get hurt no matter the results. Either innocent, good-hearted walking horse exhibitionists are going to lose the ability to show when they have done nothing wrong or people that cheat (and yes, I feel that soring/illegal shoeing/etc is cheating) are going to be able to keep doing so.

As for me, my barefooted walking mares and I will be happily playing in the woods and at $5-per-class fun shows far away from the big shows.
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post #45 of 48 Old 03-25-2014, 03:01 PM
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As an added side note, I apologize for reviving such an old post. I am new on here and misread the last posting date. I'll keep a closer eye on that from here on out ;)
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I find that to be disgusting. Not all trainers do this. THe ones that do so need banned. The judges and the rules need to change. I do not like PETA or the HSUS as alot of the money does not go towards the animals but pays ceo's
I am also against tying a horse for hours on end. Tying with its head and neck stretched up ,
tying the head down for a collected look . Roping and tripping the horses for sport. and Horse fighting as done in some of the other countries.
I am also against over breeding wether it be a personal horse or from a farm/ranch of any breed, shipping horses to mexico, and starving horses because of whatever excuse anyone has.
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post #47 of 48 Old 03-26-2014, 07:45 PM
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To me TWH shows that allow spring and the trainers who put their horses through the exaggerated pain deserve to be whipped. No only do they wear it in shows but how many get to stand in a stall on their bare feet?
I've seen rescued TWHs that have to Go through months of rehab on their feet, and crazy amounts of supplements to help their joints. A friend of mine had a horse that took 8 months to trim and care for his hooves back to normal. He is still on joint supplements after a good three years and the horse is rode in a hackamore. When they got him, he has open sores in his mouth from whatever bit they were using.
He's an absolutely great trail horse, and actually she wants to start using him as a Playday horse. I told her to go for it. He'd enjoy the various events.
I love the breed, I hate the deed.
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post #48 of 48 Old 03-26-2014, 08:29 PM
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I own a TWH that I use for trail and I look at this as being cruel.
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