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post #21 of 32 Old 11-28-2011, 10:59 PM
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The foal is probably fine, but leaving things to mother nature is not always kind. She kills off the weak. She feeds her offspring to preditors and produces way more than she can sustain. I prefer not to leave my horses to mother nature in every case. If horses are provide shelter from the rain or snow, they often don't bother with it. They are made to live outside. Many horses do survive in those harsh conditions that several people have described; snow, rain, no shelter. Some of them die from the exposure.

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post #22 of 32 Old 11-28-2011, 11:39 PM
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I can see where people may be concerned, but if the horse, young or not, is healthy and with a "herd" or mom...isn't that it's natural condition? I'm not saying no vet care and if it gets sick and dies, oh well...don't get me wrong.

Ive been on the other side of this. I've had (dip#$%^s) call the Animal Enforcement Agents to my property claiming my dogs had no food or shelter. My yard is surrounded by trees. My dogs have a patio. My dogs have a water and food dish, plenty of shade, and most importantly....aren't outdoor dogs. Ooops. I guess the "concerned party" did not bother to mention to Animal Control that my dogs are generally left outside no more than an hour at a time. Or that my dogs are, you know, generally well cared for, hydrated, and possibly somewhat fat.
But still, it was an intrusion to have some nosy person call Animal Enforcement on my HEALTHY ANIMALS. I am not sure that the OP is able to gauge whether or not the young horse is healthy? For example, everywhere you read it says that a young horse should appear "ribby" as it's growing and it is dangerous to let it get too fat. Well, if we're talking cats, puppies or any other animal the OP may be familiar with, that may be a sign of sickness or starvation!
I would say keep an eye on the situation, but if the animal appears healthy and Kevinhorses (sp?) said...mind your own business.

IF HOWEVER they are in violation of statutes, or the animals take a downward turn, by all means, call someone who can intervene. I am certainly no horse god...but I'm a hundred percent certain I'd be sure that there was some neglect going on before I barged into a situation I knew nothing about.

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post #23 of 32 Old 11-30-2011, 09:48 PM
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I live in British Columbia, Canada and I was always taught that horses must have at least a lean-to for shelter. I was told it was the law. I'm not sure if it is actually as I had to look it up and couldn't cite it as truth, so perhaps the thread creator was under the same impression as me.

Really your best bet is to look up bylaws in your area. If the horses are in good shape and the property is nice then I wouldn't call just because it's probably a good home.
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post #24 of 32 Old 12-12-2011, 12:51 AM
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it is true, the lac of knowlage can get some in to trouble for no reason at all.....although kevin did come off a bit rude but I do have to agree with him.

horses have been running in the wild for millions of years with out shelters, remember we adapted the horse to our means not theres.......

all 6 of my horses are out 24/7 365 days a year, inclueding a 7 month old colt, if you drive past my place in the winter and blink you might fail to see that every water tank has a heater in it and there is always a round bale for them to eat....both my mare and foal have blankets but little thunder hates to ware his...this might sound like a crime to the avarge inexperienced horse lover

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post #25 of 32 Old 12-12-2011, 03:29 AM
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LOL This post reminds me of another forum with people who can't handle the truth.
I also agree that the OP should mind her own business. It was said in a truthful way with good advice - too many people want things said to them in a sugar coated manner. With horses, you need a no BS approach to them. Horses do not need to be babied. Look at the big picture, not just what you think you see from your human point of view. Have you got a photo of this 'neglected' foal?
Horses have managed to survive for thousands of years alongside mother nature. As someone else mentioned, unless the foal is starving, standing in mud with no forage etc, I'd also be inclined to disagree with you.
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post #26 of 32 Old 12-12-2011, 04:40 PM
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LOL I often get in trouble for being to blunt, but in this case the OP asked a polite question, and was actively seeking knowledge, it seems to me a good case for education, not a bash on the head with a baseball bat.
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post #27 of 32 Old 12-12-2011, 11:21 PM
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I don't want to step on anyones toes but anyone expressng concern over an animals welfare shouldnt be told to mind there own buisness. I don't like sugar coating things either, but provideing a form of shelter isn't babying horses. I agree as much as the next guy that horses are very strong and capable creatures but when they are limited to an enclosed area there are only so many places to seek natural shelter. Many people have referenced mustangs/wild horses ability to survive on there own, but they are just that...wild horses. Anyone who has ever owned a mustang would clearly be able to tell the difference from one compared to a horse bred from a long line of domesticated horses. That would be like saying a chihuahua (or anybreed for that matter) could survive on its own in the wild because it is the descendant of a wolf. You cant ignore the fact that foals are much more susceptible to the negative affect of there surroundings. The bad thing about programs like "rspca" is that they are so over run with so many cases its hard to get their attention without something truely terrible happening. The "prevention" part is lost on the more extreme cases. Just because they dont take action right away doesnt mean there isnt something wrong. So it may be true that this foal is better off than many others but that shouldn't mean we stop caring. I know each and every one or you on here has to be a good person... I mean how could you not be if you LOVE HORSES! :) there are
just so many opinions and factors that affect each situations differently!
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post #28 of 32 Old 12-13-2011, 12:00 PM
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Unless the foal is starving, standing knee-deep in manure or has a gaping bloody wound that is not being attended to, the authorities won't do a thing.

So unless what I've just mentioned is the case, I agree with Kevin.
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post #29 of 32 Old 12-13-2011, 07:32 PM
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This OP would be in a total snit if she saw Wyoming horses. A foal was born in a pasture with no trees, lean to, or anything other than barb wire. It was born this summer. It was just the mare and foal for the first few weeks. The mare/foal and 4 other horses are now in the same pasture covered in snow and pawing for food. They are not even feeding hay yet. But the baby is fat and sassy and healthy as can be, and very very fuzzy.
Horses don't need kid glove treatment, they need good food and water and a place to be. They don't need stalls and blankets and get along fine without them
Heck, during winter, I don't even ride my horses, the last time they see a saddle is the end of hunting season in October and then start riding again in May. They live outside in the -30 or -40 degrees, lots and lots of snow, big furry coats and have plenty of quality hay and warm water. They do just fine, even when it starts thawing and they live in mud. I have had young horses, old horrses(24) and middle horses and have never had problems with them living outside 24/7.
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post #30 of 32 Old 12-13-2011, 07:42 PM
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Hey it's all irrelevant from the point of view of the OP, who like Elvis has left the building.

But as to this

They don't need stalls and blankets and get along fine without them
Heck, during winter, I don't even ride my horses, the last time they see a saddle is the end of hunting season in October and then start riding again in May. They live outside in the -30 or -40 degrees, lots and lots of snow, big furry coats and have plenty of quality hay and warm water. They do just fine, even when it starts thawing and they live in mud.
Mine are much the same, BUT the OP was talking about the UK, and when I lived in the UK I had at least 6 blankets between my two horses, because of the endless cold wet weather during the winter
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