Who ropes then chokes while yanking on the rope with undersaddle training?

You are a retired horse trainer? What discipline did you train? Where did your student horses end up? What successes did they achieve? Where were you based?

If you were a trainer, surely you would have had the know-how to go and look at the boarding facilities before moving your horse to the farm?

If you were a trainer, surely this young lad that is so terribly abusing the poor ponehs would be more than happy for you to step in and tell him what he is doing wrong.

Posting pictures on this forum of others, without their permission, for critique purposes, is against the terms of use. Grow up, and realise that your way is not the only way.

I've roped several horses and not hurt them. As far as the injuries you claim to be from roping and jerking the horse off it's feet I call BS. A person on the ground could not jerk a horse off its feet. I would be hard pressed to jerk a horse off its feet using another good saddle horse. I think you are at best exagerating and at worst outright lying.

Just wanted to note some things before this gets out of hand.

The methods used are controversial for sure, obviously you stand on the side of the fence that says this method is abusive and cruel. However when posting it's important to not come of hysterical and biased. Especially if you doing some sort of survey like you say.

For this to be done properly, you have to be unbiased and back up your claims. For example I know many people who have roped horses without injuring them in anyway (internally or externally) and I have been around the rodeo scene long enough to know that plenty of ropers/'rodeo people' do not use this method.

To keep this thread informative and educational, please be open to both sides. One way is not the right way for everyone. Keep in mind threads like this are sure to get heated opinion and if you want to get the information out there, you need to present the information in a factual and educational way.

I think you are just posting threads just to get people arguing.

I had to rope a filly last year...she would not be caught, period. I could round pen her til she was dripping wet, she would come up, allow me to rub her all over, but as soon as I had a rope or halter near her, she would take off again; and she wasn't nice about it...she would give me both barrels every single time...so it was dangerous as well as frustrating. I finally got tired of that, and decided to get a rope on her, and let her figure it out for herself that she wasn't going to get away so easily every time. Sure she faught it, but she didn't hurt herself, nor did she get dropped to the ground...the only thing she was "forced" to do was face up to me, and allow me to pet her, and rub her with the lead, and halter; I would then send her to the end of the line and 'round pen' her some more. After getting her to face up and allow me to rub her all over with my tools I took the rope off, and went back to normal round penning, and the change in her behavior about being 'caught' was much better...she would allow me to rub her with the tools, and eventually I haltered her several times without her darting off in the other direction and kicking her heels at me. That was the only time I ever had to 'rope' her...she had been so used to giving everyone "the finger" over being caught, but I guess I gave it back to her by roping her and making her figure out what I wanted.

Now is this a technique I prefer to use? No, not at all...I prefer getting a horse to work, and letting him figure out what I want without roping and 'forcing' him to hitch up to me. But when it's taking hours, and days for the horse to "get it"? That could mean a horse gets injured, and you have no way to treat him because you can't catch him.