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    12-26-2011, 06:53 AM
  #101
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Living in the west the last several years.. and the lack of slaughter available is a sad thing. People just let their horses loose in the desert. TO starve. All the pro wild horse people think that wild horses live this great life running free on the range but its very feast and famine... every wild horse I've seen in the area has had a poor condition score.

When slaughter first closed down I recall a man binding his mares legs and blindfolding her along with her freshly born foal.. and pushing them over the side of a bridge to die. Guess what. They didnt die instantly and laid there suffering in a half frozen rive for nearly a day before they were humanely killed. I also personally know of another instance where a man couldnt get rid of a mare for FREE that he didnt want anymore and tied it to a post in a paddock to starve it to death. By the time she was found she was too far gone and had to be euthanized. That is the kind of thing that happens without the option for slaughter.

While I personally would never send a horse of mine to slaughter. I know that slaughter has its place. In recent livestock auctions in town goats were going for 50.00 and horses for 25.00. Slaughter coming back WILL bring back up horses prices... even if your not happy at the way it is done... and it will give an option for those who need to get rid of their older or lame horses who are no longer useful for riding.
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    12-26-2011, 08:06 AM
  #102
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Originally Posted by GhostwindAppaloosa    
Living in the west the last several years.. and the lack of slaughter available is a sad thing. People just let their horses loose in the desert. TO starve. All the pro wild horse people think that wild horses live this great life running free on the range but its very feast and famine... every wild horse I've seen in the area has had a poor condition score.

When slaughter first closed down I recall a man binding his mares legs and blindfolding her along with her freshly born foal.. and pushing them over the side of a bridge to die. Guess what. They didnt die instantly and laid there suffering in a half frozen rive for nearly a day before they were humanely killed. I also personally know of another instance where a man couldnt get rid of a mare for FREE that he didnt want anymore and tied it to a post in a paddock to starve it to death. By the time she was found she was too far gone and had to be euthanized. That is the kind of thing that happens without the option for slaughter.

While I personally would never send a horse of mine to slaughter. I know that slaughter has its place. In recent livestock auctions in town goats were going for 50.00 and horses for 25.00. Slaughter coming back WILL bring back up horses prices... even if your not happy at the way it is done... and it will give an option for those who need to get rid of their older or lame horses who are no longer useful for riding.
The story about the man pushing them off a bridge is horrible. Sadly though, there's tons of sad stories (while maybe not exactly like that ) these days. I don't live where there are any wild herds but I see many sick, starving, unwanted horses on a regular basis. I get phone calls, usually at least once a week, offering me free horses.

I know more than one person that's woke up to extra horses in their pasture. I judged one show this summer and was talking to their saddle club president who had 2 days before went out to 5 new horses in hers with a note left on her door saying "We can't take care of them anymore and are out of options. We knew you would help them."

I've also seen the same at auctions where the meat goats go for substantially higher amounts than most of the horses.

There are a lot of factors in the sad state of the horse market right now, our general economy being the biggest - folks just can't afford them. Lack of slaughter options only served to increase the amount of unwanted/unusable stock.
     
    12-26-2011, 09:18 AM
  #103
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Or the guy who took his horse in the trailer, took it out of the trailer, let his dogs attack the horse while tied up, then shot it.. Not nicely I might add.
And back to the same thing, animals, ALL animals have reactions after being shot in the head. They are brain dead at that point, but muscles and nerves still are "moving" until the heart is done beating. Probably the only way to stop the heart immediately which would prevent involuntary movement is a heart shot, and that one would really cause problems for a clean shot. Brain dead is just that, the brain is dead which means the horse or any animal no longer feels pain. Movement, thrashing, etc happens, but not pain.
( Unfortunately there are many humans who have to decide to pull a plug on a brain dead person and that person will make unvolentary movements before and after, but feel no pain.)
If you want to be so against horse slaughter, then so be it, but I bet you eat chickens, turkeys, cows and fish and they all have to die also.
Like someone else pointed out in one of the many many many threads of horse slaughter, its only called horse SLAUGHTER by the bleeding hearts when the other animals that the same bleeding hearts eat are killed in the same means but SLAUGHTER is not used. Funny how that works.
     
    12-26-2011, 09:23 AM
  #104
Trained
Before all the restrictions on milk (according to an article in the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association), over 100,000 children died each year in the U.S.A. Due to drinking milk. There is extensive inspection of milk products at every step of the way from the farm to the store.

All that has been provide for in the current budget for horse inspection is money for inspectors to visually inspect the horses. They just look at them. These animals will only be condemned from the human food supply if they have an obvious physical problem, such as an abscess that is pouring pus all over the floor. There is no money provided for testing for trace amounts of phenylbutazone.

There was neglect long before the slaughter houses were closed. I did then what I do now. I called the state department of agriculture and they sent an inspector to come pick the horse up. They still do. I have had death threats for years for reporting starved out animals. I continue to report them. In my area, there are less cases because they know they will be prosecuted because responsible citizens will report them. It is illegal to abuse animals in the state of Georgia. Do all offenders get caught? No. Does prosecution help? Yes.

Neglect is not happening due to lack of slaughter. It is happening due to the horrendous state of the economy. All the American jobs went to China and India. I am sure that those people appreciate the money, but with 10% unemployment, our people can't afford luxuries such as horses any more. Until our economy is better, people will have problems taking care of horses. You want to save our horses? Bring back jobs.

By the way, most of my protein comes from home grown eggs. I do eat some USDA inspected milk products and some occasional meat.
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    12-26-2011, 09:26 AM
  #105
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Originally Posted by wyominggrandma    
Or the guy who took his horse in the trailer, took it out of the trailer, let his dogs attack the horse while tied up, then shot it.. Not nicely I might add..
This is a crime punishable by prison time.
     
    12-26-2011, 09:29 AM
  #106
Trained
One poster complains that horses are selling for $5. Another complains that slaughter horses are selling for only $250. That was in Oklahoma if I recall.

To all you pro-slaughter people - why don't you buy up all the $5 horses, take them to the $250 sale barn and take the $245 dollar profit.
     
    12-26-2011, 10:12 AM
  #107
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I could ask the same question to all the anti slaughter bleeding hearts who are against slaughter : why not buy up all the old, dying, injured and sick horses and keep them for their entire lives?
This is just about as ridiculous a question as yours above Celeste.
     
    12-26-2011, 11:04 AM
  #108
Super Moderator
The only reason a fat, healthy horse is bringing 2-300.00 here is because we are less than one day's trailer journey to the Mexico border.

The local sale barn owner gets calls all of the time from people in the middle part or SE part of the country that want to bring horses to this sale to get rid of them. He tells them not to come since he cannot guarantee that the slaughter buyers will be here on any given sale day. He also no longer accepts colts or very thin horses. They turn them away at the gate because they won't bring the cost of the Coggins test, minimum commission and yardage. It is only the ones in good shape that bring $300.00.

For everyone's information, I was right here during the last recession and great horse sell-off of the 90s. It was much worse here in Oklahoma then than now. Unemployment in southern OK reached 14% and stayed above 10% for 4 years. This was when all of the manufacturing plants in southern OK closed, oil dropped to $10.00 a barrel and Reaganomics killed the so called 'hobby farming' laws (you know, the ones that put Willie Nelson in debt $2,000,000.00 for taxes). 350,000 horses went to slaughter each year for several years. That is where the numbers would be now if there weren't so many horses dying of starvation in back pastures.

Through all of that, horses received far better care and feed than now and very few thin ones went through the sales. The only difference is that horses maintained a high 'value'. Sad to say, but people will take a lot better care of a horse that is worth $1000.00 than a horse that is worth $50.00. The Veterinary Clinic near here told me that their horse related income dropped over 75% when horses lost their value. Most people with low-end saddle horses know they can buy as good or better one for the cost of the Vet call -- so they just have a "He'll have to live or die." attitude. I have 4-H kids whose parents tell us that. Their horse went lame, so instead of taking it to the Vet, they just took it to the sale and bought another one for $50.00 more than their lame one brought. A Vet bill would have cost a lot more and maybe the horse would not get better anyway.

This is the culture that has come out of the depressed horse market. Horses need a value if people are going to take care of them.
     
    12-26-2011, 12:40 PM
  #109
Trained
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Originally Posted by Celeste    
...To all you pro-slaughter people - why don't you buy up all the $5 horses, take them to the $250 sale barn and take the $245 dollar profit.
Shipping them from a $5 market to the $250 market would kill your profit. Otherwise, it WOULD be done.

I was given a horse a few weeks back. Plus tack. Plus delivery. 14 years old & sound. Yes, I agreed not to sell him for slaughter, but I doubt that could be enforced legally.
     
    12-26-2011, 12:44 PM
  #110
Banned
I spent all summer giving away (or selling cheap) broke, registered, colored, well-conformed horses. I screened homes the best I could, but it was a pretty dire situation and I would not be surprised if several of them end up in the kill pen. Which makes me sick, but I had no other options. The owner wanted them gone, and no one else would even help place them, let alone take them....

The "rescues" around here, too, frequently have horses in pretty poor condition standing in small muddy pens, because that's all they can afford. I'm not sure that's much better.
     

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