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        01-08-2011, 03:41 PM
    Originally Posted by Northern    
    I'll add that Ginger Kathren's sites are a good place to start; she's the one who's filmed the Mustang Cloud from the time he was born (9 years ago) in the Pryor Mountains, & shared his life with the world. She learned a lot about the ways of wild horses, & so it's worthwhile to hear her opinions on BLM actions.
    An emotionally-driven opinion. Don't get me wrong, those are fine, but not a great place to get facts, or form your own opinions on.
    Agreed with franknbeans, it seems as though you want people to "research" and agree with your opinions.
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        01-08-2011, 08:20 PM
    I don't want to inflate my ego by getting people to blindly agree with me; I do want them to do their research in a fair-minded way & arrive at their own conclusions. As long as we're all doing that, Amen & Amen!
        01-08-2011, 08:34 PM
    ^Maybe YOU need to do your research. Horses are starving, the BLM helps limit those who suffer.
        01-08-2011, 11:28 PM
    Originally Posted by equiniphile    
    ^Maybe YOU need to do your research. Horses are starving, the BLM helps limit those who suffer.
    and that help is limited by funds, government, and bleeding hearts. Oh yay! A lot more COULD be done with them, and good come from it, and everybody's be happier in the end.

    It's rather unrelated, but i'll make the analogy anyway. Just after the turn of the 20th century in the SW U.S., mule deer were nearly wiped out from over hunting. The states banned all hunting of mule deer, and within just a few years the mule deer population had boomed to the point there were SO many of them that they starved themselves off their own range. The states in the SW had to reopen mule deer to hunting otherwise the population was going to crash again due to lack of natural predators.

    Mustangs are at the point where the mule deer were back then when their hunting was reopened. The mustang is overpopulated and out of range, and they may even be unfortunate enough to have a crash in population due to disease and overgrazing/starvation to the point where it almost wipes them out...
        01-09-2011, 06:32 PM
    I used to just listen to whatever anyone was saying to me, assuming they knew more than I did about the issues the BLM has told the public. Then, I started to check into the matter.

    In truth, there are no starving horses anywhere out there. I have been there and have two dear friends that are wildlife photographers, and have been for many years. And for many years they have photographed the wild mustang herds. Then they photographed the BLM's roundups, until they started telling people what they have seen and the BLM began prohibiting them from being there. When that was challenged in court, the BLM began posting "view stations" at least a quarter of a mile away, so they could not see what was happening well enough to report on it.....

    This made me quite curious, since the wild horses belong to the American People - yes folks, they are actually considered a National Treasure - and the BLM is charged with managing the lands upon which they run "for the benefit of the horses."

    CNN has just done a series about this issue, unbiased, just facts. BLM doesn't look too good here. Check it out.

    I have spent years searching public records and following leads given to me - a lot have panned out, and a lot have not. But enough information is out there to prove to everyone that the BLM is in someone's back pocket and they are costing the American tax payer in excess of $44 million plus per year in order to round up and hold, and often sell to slaughter, our National Treasure. And there is plenty of room for the horses, as long as the original Wild Horse and Burro Act is honored. However, the Cattle Association has lobbied and bribed to get much of that land to run their cattle on. And BP, who have certainly made a name for themselves in dishonesty and greed, has shown an interest in the land that will soon be free of horses...

    As far as WG, I wouldn't take much she has to say as factual, so many people are still like I was, they feel the reputable research comes from their friends, and so on and so forth...I have spent many years checking the facts, from the agencies and parties themselves that are trying to decimate the wild horses so they can have that land for their own interests, such as Sue Wallis, who was so concerned about the wild horses that she has been lobbying for the revival of slaughterhouses. Then her true interests come out when she votes to change some legislation in favor of that, only to be found to be hiding the fact that the legislation she is trying to get passed will be of GREAT benefit to her own personal slaughterhouse, which she has quietly opened with ill gotten campaign money. And her involvement on the whole legislation process process is mixing her position of power with her personal interests. The Horse Slaughter Summit was just held recently, and it highlighted the fact that most people do not support it. Let's hope more people continue to see the light.

    As a sideline thought to WG, there is no humane way to slaughter a horse. Their end is terror and pain and suffering before finally death. Check it out. When a horse gets to the end of the line - meaning not wanted anymore, the ONLY humane way to end the horses life is to humanely put it down, with dignity. This all the tip pf the iceberg, so unless you fully understand what is going on, you can't really address the issue soundly. I have seen horses lying starving and dying of thirst on areas where the BLM changed the areas that the Wild Horse and Burro act gave to the horses, and restricted them to other less desirable areas so that cattle can be run on the areas that have the best grazing and water. I have seen the paperwork. It's all public record and its there for anyone willing to take the time to see for themselves. The research supports the horses.
        01-09-2011, 06:43 PM
    Originally Posted by RobertaB    
    In truth, there are no starving horses anywhere out there.

    As a sideline thought to WG, there is no humane way to slaughter a horse. Their end is terror and pain and suffering before finally death. Check it out. When a horse gets to the end of the line - meaning not wanted anymore, the ONLY humane way to end the horses life is to humanely put it down, with dignity.
    This is partly due to control measures, and partly due to naivity. There certainly are some rough-looking Mustangs out there. They'd look a heck of a lot worse if the BLM didn't have control measures in place.

    There is absolutely many ways to humanely put down a horse, but nothing is 100%. There are just as many, or more, mistakes made by injection than something like a captive bullet.

    I have no interest in persuing a debate that is going to go downhill, there are many threads here that have discussed the topic to death...
        01-09-2011, 06:43 PM
    Green Broke
    Oh here we go again! *pulls chair up and gets the popcorn*
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        01-09-2011, 06:46 PM
    Not me, I'm done and unsubscribing. There's a reason most of threads like this get closed.
        01-09-2011, 06:57 PM
    Green Broke
    *pushes chair in and throws popcorn to the birds!*
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        01-09-2011, 09:16 PM
    Excuse me RobertaB I like how you say :don't take much of WG has to say as factual"............. WHO are you to say what I have to say is not factual.Someone who just has posted 6 times and you are insulting other members?Acting like I am a stupid moran who doesn't do research, you don't know me and who are YOU to say only your research is the correct one since "...I have spent many years checking the facts, from the agencies and parties themselves as if that is the end all to everything
    I have seen horses DUMPED in the hills and desert around here left to fend for themselves. I have seen these horses starve to death. I have seen horses not fed or taken care of. I am not exactly stupid, I know slaughter houses are not the best way to end a horses life, but neither is starvation or some idiot just shooting the horse between the eyes thinking it will die and leaving it. Or turning it loose to see the wolves and other animals pull it down to die.

    There is no humane way to destroy a horse except putting one to sleep? Have your ever witnessed a BOTCHED euthanasia? Its not pretty.
    No way of ending any animals life is not without stress
    Get over yourself.

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