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post #21 of 34 Old 01-09-2011, 10:48 PM
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WG: Absolutely no insult intended. I am in the legal field and know how to get access to many legal documents and information. I spent three years of my life researching and interviewing. I interviewed those who feel it is right and those who feel it is wrong to send these magnificent animals to slaughter, as well as the issue of the necessity for the roundups. I listened to what all parties had to say, even the BLM - who, by the way, when I went to talk to them, were very arrogant and suggested VERY CLEARLY that they have the power to do whatever they want, and don't HAVE to explain anything at all to the public.

Then I went to various courthouses in the west, including the Supreme Court in Cheyenne, and several district Courts in Albany, Hot Springs and Teton, Wyoming among other states. I also researched the various federal laws that were put in effect to provide safety for these horses. I found that they are being blatantly ignored.

I spent this time in an effort to get an accurate picture of what was going on since the BLM and some of the esteemed politicians behind the slaughter efforts were smiling and saying how these horses were starving and suffering and they had to round them up and put them in cramped holding pens "for their own good", while horse advocates for the horses are saying the complete opposite.

I found this: In the wild naturally, some horses died each year from weather related circumstances. This is the natural culling that nature provides. However, when you find a horse that someone dumped, as you have found, it is again caused by someone irresponsible and lacking compassion. They should never be the reason that horses are rounded up and sent to slaughter. And I have several good friends who have made a living photographing the wild horse herds for YEARS. They tell me that there are no starving band of horses being rounded up, and they have the pictures to prove it.

Botched euthanasia attempt are the exception, not the rule. Terror and mistreatment in slaughterhouses is the RULE not the exception.

And making a full, complete, investigation of the facts and not just accepting the ones that support my personal beliefs, is the only responsible avenue to take.

Again, I had no intention to offend, I was just saying that people need to look at ALL sides of the issue thoroughly before making a stand. I have done so and my stand is with a very educated conviction that there IS a better way out there than rounding up the horses. The BLM has shown that they are not above lying to the American Public. Why would they need to if they sincerely believe what they are doing is the right thing? And that is just ONE small thing to consider. There are so many other issues that impact the matter.

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Just because you are in the legal field does not give you the right to assume you have all the answers and everyone elses opinions or knowledge is not as good as yours.

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So, a question - if the horses being rounded up aren't starving and there are pictures to prove it, doesn't that mean that the pictures prove the effectiveness of the BLM management strategy? In other words, the horses are not starving because they are being removed at a rate that the range is sufficient to maintain the remaining population?
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post #24 of 34 Old 01-10-2011, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by RobertaB View Post
As a sideline thought to WG, there is no humane way to slaughter a horse.
Actually there is. A correct shot in head ends the life just as fast and easy as it can be. And very well may be a better solution than dropping dead from starvation.
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Originally Posted by wyominggrandma View Post
Just because you are in the legal field does not give you the right to assume you have all the answers and everyone elses opinions or knowledge is not as good as yours.
Agree totally.

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post #26 of 34 Old 01-11-2011, 06:18 AM
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Agree totally.
As do I

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post #27 of 34 Old 01-11-2011, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by LoveStory10 View Post
As do I
Add me to the list that agrees. (Great posts JDI, WG, and company.)

Originally Posted by kitten_Val View Post
Actually there is. A correct shot in head ends the life just as fast and easy as it can be. And very well may be a better solution than dropping dead from starvation.
Two big thumbs up to this.
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post #29 of 34 Old 01-16-2011, 01:35 PM
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Its okay...

Originally Posted by Northern View Post
A great New Year's resolution is to take a bit of time to sign those online petitions & letters to legislators, make calls, & donate as you can to stop BLM roundups & BLM disruption of herds by giving birth control to Mustang mares (Ginger Kathrens & Cloud sites), wild horse racing, etc.

if you havent noticed no one on this forum rlly likes horses. Im aware the BLM is cruel, and here are the numbers-
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  • Today, fewer than 33,000 wild horses likely remain on public lands.
    Over 2 million head of private livestock enjoy subsidized grazing on public lands.
  • More than 250,000 wild horses and burros have been removed from public lands since 1971. The BLM plans to remove another 12,000 for Fiscal Year 2010.
  • The 1971 Wild Free-Roaming Horse and Burro Act mandated that wild horses and burros be protected and managed on "areas where presently found," which included 47 million acres of public lands on 303 herd areas.
  • Since 1971, wild horses have been zeroed out from 111 herd areas representing over 20 million acres; 2.4 million acres of wild horse habitat were lost between 2005 and 2009 alone.
  • Burros share their habitat with bighorn sheep, a highly-prized game species that now outnumbers them at least 16 to 1 on public lands. BLM’s target for nationwide burro population is less than 3,000.
  • BLM relies on an annual population increase rate of about 20% to evaluate population levels and justify round-ups of wild horses and burros, while the National Academy of Sciences estimates that rate to be closer to 10%.
  • Wild horses account for less than 0.5% of large grazing animals on public lands.
  • 6 states have lost their entire wild horse and burro populations.
  • In 70% of the remaining herd areas, BLM’s population targets are set at levels that will not ensure genetic viability.
  • The current removal policy is costing over 60 million tax dollars a year.
  • In 2008, less than 5% of BLM’s wild horse and burro program budget was allocated to herd management on the range, with the remaining 95% allocated to captures, holding, and placement.
  • According to the USGS, $7.7 million could be saved annually through the use of contraceptive measures alone.
  • The removal and processing of a single horse through the adoption pipeline can cost as much as $3,000.
  • Over 36,000 wild horses are currently held in government holding pens.
  • Livestock grazing is authorized on five times more acres of BLM land than wild horses (160 million acres for livestock vs. 26.6 million acres [shared with livestock] for horses and burros).
  • Publicly-subsidized livestock grazing on public lands costs taxpayers in excess of $132 million annually, yet cattle grazed on public lands provide just 3% of the nation's beef supply.
  • Private livestock outnumber wild horses and burros on public land by at least 50 to 1 (note: some livestock may not be grazed year round).

And if the BLM really cares about horses they would have taken pickens up on her offer for a alternative to stop the Nevada roundups for a few months, and foor less money she would build holding pens to keep the horses in adjenct to their homeland. see here-
American Wild Horse Preservation Campaign

Thanks for posting this least some "horse lovers" care!
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post #30 of 34 Old 01-16-2011, 01:39 PM
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oh no! it looks like over 56,000 other ppl are against the roundups too...

so srry
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