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View Poll Results: Are you pro-slaughter
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post #21 of 516 Old 01-07-2012, 07:09 PM
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I personally do not like my options being taken away from me making a choice. Right wrong or indifferent, it is a choice that I should be able to make for my personal reasons without explanation. In a perfect world there would be no need for horses being slaughtered but we do not live in a perfect world. I do not favor slaughter but looking at the situation as a whole, unfortunately there has to be an option.
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post #22 of 516 Old 01-08-2012, 12:29 AM
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Well, I did something I knew would bother me, but I felt like it was my duty as a horse lover, to learn as much as I could... so I decided to Google horse slaughter. Finding that there is more than one way they employ to kill horses then I decided to Youtube it. How could I offer an opinion without knowing more about the subject? I feel now that I have a opinion that is worth writing. I'm sorry but I think for now I'm straddling the fence, here is why.... I always assumed the kill at the slaughter houses was fast . However I have learned that due to the techniques used it is not. They don't use lethal injection due to contaminating the meat, and as far as I know they don't use gas but for what reason I do not know. They do use a bolt gun or 22, both of which are seriously ineffective. I understand the need for horse meat for consumption, I understand the economics of slaughtering horses, I understand it is better in some cases for horses that are injured or old.... but why cant it be done humanly???? If you have an opinion on horse slaughter you should look this information up for yourself, you should watch the horrid videos of each technique to understand all aspects of it. *takes a deep breath* I vote yes to slaughter.... but I vote a more human way be found with strict laws enforcing it. If a more human way is not found, and no laws to back it up, then I would vote a profound NO. The horses I viewed knew they were going to die, knew they needed to escape but could not do it. Some of them woke up after being shot. Not to mention the way these horses are trailer ed to the processing plants. All of you who say yes or no to horse slaughter need to all agree to help do something about the way these horses are killed and trailer ed. Contact your local representative, contact your mayor. post about it everywhere you can think to do so.This is my first post about this but I have conviction on it and I plan to start telling anyone who will listen, the way they are killed is horrible and needs to stop.
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post #23 of 516 Old 01-08-2012, 12:35 AM
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A .22 and a captive bolt gun are both instantaneous and humane ways to die and are accepted forms of euthanasia by the American Association of Equine Practitioners and the American Veterinary Medicine Association. The problem comes when the animals' heads are not properly restrained,, as in some but not all plants. If the aim is good and the horse is still, this is considered for horses, actually, to be the quickest and kindest death--over lethal injection, in fact.
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post #24 of 516 Old 01-08-2012, 01:19 PM
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A gun to the head is humane in a down, dying horse if performed by a shooting expert with knowledge of equine anatomy. I have seen it done in a horse with a broken leg that could not be euthanized with injection due to the horse breaking its leg in the middle of nowhere. (Euthanasia injection must not be used in animals that cannot be buried properly due to environmental concerns and laws.) The problem is that these slaughter horses are alert, moving, healthy horses. They are terrified if their head is restrained and tortured if it is not.
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post #25 of 516 Old 01-08-2012, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bubba13 View Post
A .22 and a captive bolt gun are both instantaneous and humane ways to die and are accepted forms of euthanasia by the American Association of Equine Practitioners and the American Veterinary Medicine Association. The problem comes when the animals' heads are not properly restrained,, as in some but not all plants. If the aim is good and the horse is still, this is considered for horses, actually, to be the quickest and kindest death--over lethal injection, in fact.

Totally agree, my arab was pts this way infront of me.

There are worse ends for a horse than going to slaughter.
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post #26 of 516 Old 01-08-2012, 01:46 PM
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But this is why we need proper facilities that are designed for horses, and more importantly trained personnel, then you can get a quick and stress free action.

With people who are used to handling horses, and a skilled person handling the gun or the bolt a horse doesn't need to stand still for that long, aim and fire is quick.

I know from experience that my current vet, is an expert at giving shots, the first horse I had him come to see here was a 10 month old colt, not halter broken, but needing gelding like YESTERDAY! We got a halter in the boy, got him in a corner and the sedative was in a vein and he was relaxing before anyone knew what was happening! He didn't faff about, just waited until he saw his chance and went for it!
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post #27 of 516 Old 01-08-2012, 02:01 PM
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I'm not so much PRO slaughter as anti-anti slaughter. People need to be able to have choices, regardless of what a bunch of over emotional horse lovers think.

Contrary to popular belief, kill buyers don't WANT the old, skinny animals; like any meat buyer they want the young, healthy, and in good weight. Horses, just like any other livestock meat animal, is sold by the pound. The higher the weight, the more money the seller gets. It's typical economics, and equine kill buyers aren't any more ruthless, heartless, or inhumane than anyone else who raises, buys, and sells animals for meat.

I have no quarrel with the meat industry, because I utilize it every single day of my life. Every time I saddle up, cook dinner, or even feed my own beloved critters, I'm using something that was provided by the meat industry, and so are all of you.

I'd like to see it be as humane as possible for all animals, and that's something with which everyone should be concerned. Denying there's a supply and demand, or tarring/feathering anyone who works in the industry helps nothing, especially NOT the animals.

Instead of expecting some pie in the sky ideals to strike everyone, we need to work within human nature and realize that the world and its people aren't perfect. For some reason, everyone expects someone ELSE to do something instead of pointing the finger at themselves, and asking what THEY can personally do. And no, signing internet petitions isn't 'doing something', except making you feel better about yourselves without actually lifting a finger to really help.

You want to save horses from slaughter? Don't sell yours, ever. Keep them their whole lives, and forget your riding goals if your current horse isn't suited to the discipline of your choice. Learn to work with your animal's limitations, and give up everything you want and of which you dream. If you have an older, lame horse, or one whose temperament isn't suitable, too bad so sad. What? You don't like that idea? Why not? Oh, it's just OTHER people who need to follow the rules YOU dictate, instead of having to give up what YOU want.
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post #28 of 516 Old 01-08-2012, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by FreeDestiny View Post
I think I'm on a side of, I don't like the idea of slaughter, but I'd rather it than horses starve or be neglected. So I'm neither pro nor anti-slaughter.
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Do people really think that those are the only 3 choices?
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post #29 of 516 Old 01-08-2012, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Lonestar22 View Post
I am pro slaughter. Not matter what you call it, its the same stuff. If we didnt kill off the old, crippled, unwanted horses then we would have overpopulation llike we do now. That's why the horse economy is in the crapper. There are to many horses and not enough people to care for them.

You can live in your fairy tale "people with stop breeding" world. I choose to live in the real world where breeders dont stop, horses die of starvation and slaughter is a saving grace for dying horses and people alike.
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Approximately the same number of horses are slaughtered each year-130,000. The number didn't change with the ban, only the location. So we are killing off the old, crippled & unwanted & the horse economy is still in the 'crapper'. That kind of blows the theory that the horse market is bad because of lack of US slaughter. The whole economy is in the crapper.
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I'm mostly Pro Freedom. I pay for the horse and pay for its feed and vetrinary care, training and boarding in some cases. I don't ask for a government hand out and most people can't even get a tax deduction for thier horse expenses. Why then should someone that has no financial or emotional conection to me or my horse be able to tell me what I have to do with my horse when it is no longer suitable for my use. The same goes for regulations on breeding. If I want to breed crap to crap then it's my own business and I kindly invite you to butt the hell out. Government rgulation is NEVER the answer and results in increased burdens and decreased opportunities.

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